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 by: Nomen Nescio - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:52 UTC

well the David Lynch movie didn't

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 by: % - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:14 UTC

Nomen Nescio wrote:
> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>
it was planet of the grapes

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:26 UTC

In article <ZYydnSvFy8YUR0L4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>
>it was planet of the grapes

:-)
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Nomen Nescio wrote:

> well the David Lynch movie didn't

On the off-chance that this is a serious question...

Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:14 UTC

In article <xn0oinjveg88f2r006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>
>On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>
>Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>

:-)
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On 29/02/2024 22:14, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <xn0oinjveg88f2r006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>
>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>
>
> :-)
>

Well Reddit seems to think making this connection might drum up some
extra trade for Dune part 2.

Aside from the the Tatooine sand-scape, i can't really see this
'influence'. Not visually not theme-wise, nor in the subtext of
either.

On the other hand the 'The Hidden Fortress' by Akira Kurosawa, if you've
seen it, is the undoubted influence for star wars.

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 by: Truthslave - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:47 UTC

On 29/02/2024 23:22, Truthslave wrote:
> On 29/02/2024 22:14, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <xn0oinjveg88f2r006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>
>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> Well Reddit seems to think making this connection might drum up some
> extra trade for Dune part 2.

scratch that.

Its an old Reddit thread which was looking to make this connection..
>
> Aside from the the Tatooine sand-scape, i can't really see this
> 'influence'. Not visually not theme-wise, nor in the subtext of
> either.
>
> On the other hand the 'The Hidden Fortress' by Akira Kurosawa, if you've
> seen it, is the undoubted influence for star wars.
>
>

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 01:30 UTC

In article <Jk8EN.1011713$Ko1.155324@fx05.ams4>,
Truthslave <TS@home.com> wrote:
>On 29/02/2024 22:14, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <xn0oinjveg88f2r006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>
>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
>Well Reddit seems to think making this connection might drum up some
>extra trade for Dune part 2.
>
>Aside from the the Tatooine sand-scape, i can't really see this
>'influence'. Not visually not theme-wise, nor in the subtext of
>either.
>
>On the other hand the 'The Hidden Fortress' by Akira Kurosawa, if you've
>seen it, is the undoubted influence for star wars.
>
>

Influences are all over!
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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:25 UTC

Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>
> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>
> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>
Recording 'Dune' as I type ....

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3

Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
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 by: Daniel65 - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 12:27 UTC

Daniel65 wrote on 1/3/24 9:25 pm:
> Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>
>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>
> Recording 'Dune' as I type ....
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
>
> Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
> Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
> much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

..... and, having watched it, and not making too much sense of it,
(ObjDrWho) I moved on to a really EXCELLENT ADVENTURE film which
followed two guys (Bill and Ted) as they travelled through Time (not
Space) in a Telephone Box!!
--
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Subject: Re: Did Dune books influence Star Wars?
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 by: Your Name - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 20:40 UTC

On 2024-03-02 12:27:20 +0000, Daniel65 said:

> Daniel65 wrote on 1/3/24 9:25 pm:
>> Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>
>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>
>> Recording 'Dune' as I type ....
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
>>
>> Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
>> Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
>> much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
>
> .... and, having watched it, and not making too much sense of it,
> (ObjDrWho) I moved on to a really EXCELLENT ADVENTURE film which
> followed two guys (Bill and Ted) as they travelled through Time (not
> Space) in a Telephone Box!!

Dune is complete crap. The first book is incredibly boring, the movies
/ TV series are almost as bad ... I gave up bothering with each of them
after about five minutes. I have no idea why fools actually published
26 books* in the series!! :-\

* Six written by Frank Herbert and the rest by his son and Kevin J Anderson.
The one's *not* written by Frank Herbert are said to be different and are
not liked by many Dune afficianados, so maybe they are worth reading and
actually make sense ... but I doubt it.

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 by: Your Name - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 20:45 UTC

On 2024-02-29 23:22:16 +0000, Truthslave said:

> On 29/02/2024 22:14, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <xn0oinjveg88f2r006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>
>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>>
>>
>> :-)
>
> Well Reddit seems to think making this connection might drum up some
> extra trade for Dune part 2.
>
> Aside from the the Tatooine sand-scape, i can't really see this
> 'influence'. Not visually not theme-wise, nor in the subtext of
> either.

There is also "spice", which is a form of mind-altering drug in both
franchises - although far more important in Dune. There are also huge
sandworms.

> On the other hand the 'The Hidden Fortress' by Akira Kurosawa, if you've
> seen it, is the undoubted influence for star wars.

George Lucas has always said that was one of the influences, as were
the old movie serials he watched as a kid (Flash Gordon, Tarzan, etc.).

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 by: Your Name - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 21:03 UTC

On 2024-03-01 10:25:00 +0000, Daniel65 said:

> Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>
>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>
> Recording 'Dune' as I type ....
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
>
> Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
> Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
> much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

"Dune Part 1" in 2021
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160419/>
Parts 1 and 2 have been made by Denis Villeneuve who plans to make a
third part. He's basically said that after that it will be up to
someone else to make the rest of the original six book series into
movies.

There was also the "Dune" TV minseries in 2000 and its sequel "The
Children of Dune" in 2003.
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/>
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0287839/>

Then there's the TV series "Dune: The Prophecy" (previously called
"Dune: Sisterhood" and similar names) due later this year.
<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10466872/>

Plus a rumoured animated series that so far has no concrete proof of
actually ever being made.

BUT ... they, and the books they're based on, are *ALL* awaful garbage,
so don't waste your time with any of them.

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:51 UTC

In article <us02r2$22f0r$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>On 2024-03-02 12:27:20 +0000, Daniel65 said:
>
>> Daniel65 wrote on 1/3/24 9:25 pm:
>>> Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>>
>>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>>
>>> Recording 'Dune' as I type ....
>>>
>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
>>>
>>> Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
>>> Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
>>> much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!
>>>
>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
>>
>> .... and, having watched it, and not making too much sense of it,
>> (ObjDrWho) I moved on to a really EXCELLENT ADVENTURE film which
>> followed two guys (Bill and Ted) as they travelled through Time (not
>> Space) in a Telephone Box!!
>
>Dune is complete crap. The first book is incredibly boring, the movies
>/ TV series are almost as bad ... I gave up bothering with each of them
>after about five minutes. I have no idea why fools actually published
>26 books* in the series!! :-\
>
>
>* Six written by Frank Herbert and the rest by his son and Kevin J Anderson.
> The one's *not* written by Frank Herbert are said to be different and are
> not liked by many Dune afficianados, so maybe they are worth reading and
> actually make sense ... but I doubt it.
>
>

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 by: Daniel65 - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 10:10 UTC

Daniel65 wrote on 2/3/24 11:27 pm:
> Daniel65 wrote on 1/3/24 9:25 pm:
>> Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>
>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>>
>> Recording 'Dune' as I type ....
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
>>
>> Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
>> Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
>> much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
>
> .... and, having watched it, and not making too much sense of it,
> (ObjDrWho) I moved on to a really EXCELLENT ADVENTURE film which
> followed two guys (Bill and Ted) as they travelled through Time (not
> Space) in a Telephone Box!!

..... but, thinking about it, further, they DID travel in their
'Telephone Box' to other places/countries, so I guess they *DID* travel
in Space, too!!
--
Daniel

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 13:06 UTC

In article <us1i9t$2ek3q$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote on 2/3/24 11:27 pm:
>> Daniel65 wrote on 1/3/24 9:25 pm:
>>> Blueshirt wrote on 1/3/24 1:50 am:
>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> well the David Lynch movie didn't
>>>>
>>>> On the off-chance that this is a serious question...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm sure the book played a part.
>>>>
>>> Recording 'Dune' as I type ....
>>>
>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
>>>
>>> Hmm! I was recording this as a lead-in to going to the flicks to see
>>> Dune 2 .... but, as this version was made in 1984'ish, one wonders how
>>> much of a 'lead-in' it will be!!
>>>
>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
>>
>> .... and, having watched it, and not making too much sense of it,
>> (ObjDrWho) I moved on to a really EXCELLENT ADVENTURE film which
>> followed two guys (Bill and Ted) as they travelled through Time (not
>> Space) in a Telephone Box!!
>
>.... but, thinking about it, further, they DID travel in their
>'Telephone Box' to other places/countries, so I guess they *DID* travel
>in Space, too!!

red vs Blue!

>--
>Daniel

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