Here is a harbinger of greatness, a Bruckner 9th to die for. I could watch it for ever. .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4

Has anyone given it a go yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4

On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 8:47:55 PM UTC, Richard deRabelais wrote:
> Here is a harbinger of greatness, a Bruckner 9th to die for. I could watch it for ever. .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4

Op zondag 28 november 2021 om 14:36:23 UTC+1 schreef richardd...@gmail.com:
> Has anyone given it a go yet?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 8:47:55 PM UTC, Richard deRabelais wrote:
> > Here is a harbinger of greatness, a Bruckner 9th to die for. I could watch it for ever. .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4

<g> I made a beginning. Makela sounds alright, but Bruckner remains a no-go area for me.

Henk

If Bruckner the 9th (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4 ) is of no interest, you could try these other Makela performances on Youtube:

Ravel Pavane = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LouYxRdnXVM
Shostakovich 6 + Tchaikovsky 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZnmOagoo04
Shostakovich 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB3zR_X25UU
Shostakovich 14 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAzZcKB6LO8
Purcell Funeral Music for Queen Mary + Haydn 49 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCTysTzwFo
Beethoven 9th - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkQapdgAa7o&t=212s
Sibelius 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBa0vOPGuwo
Brahms 4 - https://youtu.be/o4UScRNrb5M
Mahler 1 - https://youtu.be/ICDXYu1JOnY
Kodaly Dances from Galanta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi_gUeCG_d8
Gupta Epilogue from Earth's Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQyslueHtOI
Schumann Symphony No. 2 + Dowland: Lachrimae Antiquae - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxbfkZ_BzwU
Makela on conducting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XtiERH7uo

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 1:46:16 PM UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zondag 28 november 2021 om 14:36:23 UTC+1 schreef richardd...@gmail.com:
> > Has anyone given it a go yet?
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4
> > On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 8:47:55 PM UTC, Richard deRabelais wrote:
> > > Here is a harbinger of greatness, a Bruckner 9th to die for. I could watch it for ever. .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4
> <g> I made a beginning. Makela sounds alright, but Bruckner remains a no-go area for me.
>
> Henk

Op zondag 28 november 2021 om 15:11:47 UTC+1 schreef richardd...@gmail.com:
> If Bruckner the 9th (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4 ) is of no interest, you could try these other Makela performances on Youtube:
>
> Ravel Pavane = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LouYxRdnXVM
> Shostakovich 6 + Tchaikovsky 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZnmOagoo04
> Shostakovich 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB3zR_X25UU
> Shostakovich 14 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAzZcKB6LO8
> Purcell Funeral Music for Queen Mary + Haydn 49 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCTysTzwFo
> Beethoven 9th - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkQapdgAa7o&t=212s
> Sibelius 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBa0vOPGuwo
> Brahms 4 - https://youtu.be/o4UScRNrb5M
> Mahler 1 - https://youtu.be/ICDXYu1JOnY
> Kodaly Dances from Galanta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi_gUeCG_d8
> Gupta Epilogue from Earth's Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQyslueHtOI
> Schumann Symphony No. 2 + Dowland: Lachrimae Antiquae - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxbfkZ_BzwU
> Makela on conducting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XtiERH7uo
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 1:46:16 PM UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op zondag 28 november 2021 om 14:36:23 UTC+1 schreef richardd...@gmail.com:
> > > Has anyone given it a go yet?
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4
> > > On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 8:47:55 PM UTC, Richard deRabelais wrote:
> > > > Here is a harbinger of greatness, a Bruckner 9th to die for. I could watch it for ever. .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4
> > <g> I made a beginning. Makela sounds alright, but Bruckner remains a no-go area for me.
> >
> > Henk

Thank you. There is plenty to choose from. I will start with Sibelius.

Henk

I thought his Beethoven 9 quite good for his age, though I didn't care much for some of the soloists. His Shosty 7 sports a remarkably nauseating first-movement march (I mean it). I think he's got more life to him in the Bruckner 9 than Haitink's first one, for instance, but I wished he pushed the first movement finale a bit more. I haven't listened to the whole thing. The Paris orchestra acquits themselves well- at least better than I expected.

Seeing Mäkelä videos reminds me of the first vids I saw of Nelsons. I thought there really was something special to N's gleeful, manic focus, and this was affirmed by some of the recordings, especially the Strauss CBSO ones. But his Bruckner, Brahms and Beethoven are unremarkable, and the good Shosty recordings aren't enough for me to think he's fulfilling what looked to be great potential. It is therefore refreshing to see Mäkelä doing nothing but getting results- to my eye, he's not distracted by himself. And I tend to like what I hear. So, yes, real potential.

It is also remarkable to see him conducting everywhere so soon. The COncertgebouw? Wow. Chicago will have him in town in the spring to conduct the Firebird as well as Prokofiev's second violin concerto (pardon me if I forget the soloist- not a name that means a lot to me). With Zweden in town to do Mahler 6 the following week, it is is a good time to plan a visit (or just be a resident).

He and the LPO are scheduled to do the 2nd Prokofiev Violin Concerto (with Lozakovich) in London on 2/26/22 c/w Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony.

Zweden presses no buttons for me .... and I just can't work out why.

Richard (in London)

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 5:22:04 PM UTC, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> I thought his Beethoven 9 quite good for his age, though I didn't care much for some of the soloists. His Shosty 7 sports a remarkably nauseating first-movement march (I mean it). I think he's got more life to him in the Bruckner 9 than Haitink's first one, for instance, but I wished he pushed the first movement finale a bit more. I haven't listened to the whole thing. The Paris orchestra acquits themselves well- at least better than I expected..
>
> Seeing Mäkelä videos reminds me of the first vids I saw of Nelsons. I thought there really was something special to N's gleeful, manic focus, and this was affirmed by some of the recordings, especially the Strauss CBSO ones. But his Bruckner, Brahms and Beethoven are unremarkable, and the good Shosty recordings aren't enough for me to think he's fulfilling what looked to be great potential. It is therefore refreshing to see Mäkelä doing nothing but getting results- to my eye, he's not distracted by himself. And I tend to like what I hear. So, yes, real potential.
>
> It is also remarkable to see him conducting everywhere so soon. The COncertgebouw? Wow. Chicago will have him in town in the spring to conduct the Firebird as well as Prokofiev's second violin concerto (pardon me if I forget the soloist- not a name that means a lot to me). With Zweden in town to do Mahler 6 the following week, it is is a good time to plan a visit (or just be a resident).

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:46:25 AM UTC-6, richardd...@gmail.com wrote:
> He and the LPO are scheduled to do the 2nd Prokofiev Violin Concerto (with Lozakovich) in London on 2/26/22 c/w Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony.

I'm sure Lozakovich is the soloist here, too.

> Zweden presses no buttons for me .... and I just can't work out why.

He reminds me of Solti. Despite his background, he doesn't seem to be a "phrasing" guy, but someone who keeps everything tight and together (and I don't necessarily mean that as a compliment, but it can work in certain music).. I have a broadcast recording of him doing Shosty 8 with the CSO, and everything is tight and together- no transmission slips or gaps between ensemble parts as the orchestra coordinates. Nothing extreme like Mravinsky, but the spirt of relentless concentration, nonetheless. Again, that's not saying a whole lot- I saw Welser-Most do a great 8 with Cleveland, and I'm not a fan at all- at least in other music. Neither seem like leaders with real imagination, just COOs. Sometimes, that is just fine. And I don't think Mahler 6 needs a lot from a conductor to be an enjoyable experience. Keep everyone together, let the orchestra do their thing. Would I rather hear Honeck do it? Of course. But Zweden will do.

This leads me to wonder what Zweden's departure from the NYPhil really amounts to. I can't believe he'd slam that door shut without there being another waiting for him. Zweden was well-liked here when he was a regular with the CSO, and Muti won't be here forever. And the local powers will want a star.

On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-10, richardd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here is a harbinger of greatness, a Bruckner 9th to die for. I could watch it for ever. .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9o_jHGSZ4

(Recent Y. upload):

Review: Mäkelä Makes Mincemeat Out Of Sibelius