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by: Mandryka - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 05:02 UTC

I found this last week on Spotify and I can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is really exceptional.

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by: Dan Koren - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 07:01 UTC

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> I found this last week on Spotify and I
> can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> really exceptional.

Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
few pieces and did not like hiw way
with the music (leaving sound aside).

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by: Dan Koren - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 07:02 UTC

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > really exceptional.
>
> Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> few pieces and did not like hiw way
> with the music (leaving sound aside).
>

This is better:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0

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by: AB - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:54 UTC

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > really exceptional.
> >
> > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> >
> This is better:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
>
> dk

good playing, bad sounding piano

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by: Mandryka - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 20:03 UTC

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > really exceptional.
> > >
> > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > >
> > This is better:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> >
> > dk
> good playing, bad sounding piano

The piano sounds better on Rogers LS3/5A with a Radford valve amp than it does on Quad ESL 63s and a Krell KSA50. Always good to have a few different systems!

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by: Mandryka - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 20:05 UTC

Oh the playing seems to me to be deeply felt, he’s not just going through the motions or delivering a cool rendition, it’s “authentic” I think that’s why I’ve found it quite an addictive recording.

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by: Dan Koren - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 11:32 UTC

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:05:16 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > really exceptional.
> > > >
> > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > >
> > > This is better:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> >
> > good playing, bad sounding piano
>
> Oh the playing seems to me to be deeply felt,

"Deeply felt" is meaningless to other people
who do not read your mind and emotions, and
who do not know what emotions you experience
when you listen to this recording. Since the entire
recording is on line on YouTube, can you illustrate
what you mean through appropriately selected
snippets?

> "he’s not just going through the motions or
> delivering " a cool rendition, it’s “authentic”

Another completely meaningless sentence.

> I think that’s why I’ve found it quite an addictive
> recording.

We still don't know what you mean, or what
makes this performance "addictive" for you.
Perhaps you could provide some examples
that illustrate why this performance sounds
to you more "addictive" than another one.
How about a side by side comparison
with Richter, Grimaud, Lupu and Anna
Gourari?

To my ears it sounds mediocre, boring and
ruminative.

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by: Dan Koren - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 11:36 UTC

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > really exceptional.
> > > >
> > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > >
> > > This is better:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> >
> > good playing, bad sounding piano
> The piano sounds better on Rogers LS3/5A with a
> Radford valve amp than it does on Quad ESL 63s
> and a Krell KSA50. Always good to have a few
> different systems!

If one needs to try different sound reproduction
chains in order to hear acceptable sound, this
is clearly not a recording worth pursuing. The
Rogers LS3/5A, the Radford valve amps and
the Quad ESL 63 must be 50 years old, if not
more, and the Krell KSA50 is probably 30
years old. One can do much better today.

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On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 9:02:21 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
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> I found this last week on Spotify and I
> can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> really exceptional.

Can you stop yourself from reading the
Gramophone? "A pianist of outstanding
poetry". ROTFL !!!

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by: Mandryka - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:52 UTC

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 11:36:34 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > > really exceptional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > > >
> > > > This is better:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> > >
> > > good playing, bad sounding piano
> > The piano sounds better on Rogers LS3/5A with a
> > Radford valve amp than it does on Quad ESL 63s
> > and a Krell KSA50. Always good to have a few
> > different systems!
> If one needs to try different sound reproduction
> chains in order to hear acceptable sound, this
> is clearly not a recording worth pursuing. The
> Rogers LS3/5A, the Radford valve amps and
> the Quad ESL 63 must be 50 years old, if not
> more, and the Krell KSA50 is probably 30
> years old. One can do much better today.
>
> dk
All perfectly restored back to original condition.

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On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 12:45:15 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 9:02:21 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > really exceptional.
> Can you stop yourself from reading the
> Gramophone? "A pianist of outstanding
> poetry". ROTFL !!!
>
> dk

I don't subscribe -- there's a paywall between me and the review, and I won't pay.

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Yes, all of it.

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by: Mandryka - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:00 UTC

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 11:32:30 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:05:16 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > > really exceptional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > > >
> > > > This is better:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> > >
> > > good playing, bad sounding piano
> >
> > Oh the playing seems to me to be deeply felt,
> "Deeply felt" is meaningless to other people
> who do not read your mind and emotions, and
> who do not know what emotions you experience
> when you listen to this recording. Since the entire
> recording is on line on YouTube, can you illustrate
> what you mean through appropriately selected
> snippets?
> > "he’s not just going through the motions or
> > delivering " a cool rendition, it’s “authentic”
> Another completely meaningless sentence.
> > I think that’s why I’ve found it quite an addictive
> > recording.
> We still don't know what you mean, or what
> makes this performance "addictive" for you.
> Perhaps you could provide some examples
> that illustrate why this performance sounds
> to you more "addictive" than another one.
> How about a side by side comparison
> with Richter, Grimaud, Lupu and Anna
> Gourari?
>
> To my ears it sounds mediocre, boring and
> ruminative.
>
> dk

Interesting to see you mention Lupu. He's just a completely closed book for me. I listened to some things recently, Brahms and Schubert and Beethoven and Mozart, and I thought, to steal your expression "mediocre, boring and ruminative."

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by: Dan Koren - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:23 UTC

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 4:53:24 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 12:45:15 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 9:02:21 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > >
> > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > really exceptional.
> > Can you stop yourself from reading the
> > Gramophone? "A pianist of outstanding
> > poetry". ROTFL !!!
>
> I don't subscribe -- there's a paywall between
> me and the review, and I won't pay.

It doesn't matter, you are reading
the Gramophone's mind ;-)

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On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 5:00:14 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 11:32:30 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:05:16 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > > > really exceptional.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > > > >
> > > > > This is better:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> > > >
> > > > good playing, bad sounding piano
> > >
> > > Oh the playing seems to me to be deeply felt,
> > "Deeply felt" is meaningless to other people
> > who do not read your mind and emotions, and
> > who do not know what emotions you experience
> > when you listen to this recording. Since the entire
> > recording is on line on YouTube, can you illustrate
> > what you mean through appropriately selected
> > snippets?
> > > "he’s not just going through the motions or
> > > delivering " a cool rendition, it’s “authentic”
> > Another completely meaningless sentence.
> > > I think that’s why I’ve found it quite an addictive
> > > recording.
> > We still don't know what you mean, or what
> > makes this performance "addictive" for you.
> > Perhaps you could provide some examples
> > that illustrate why this performance sounds
> > to you more "addictive" than another one.
> > How about a side by side comparison
> > with Richter, Grimaud, Lupu and Anna
> > Gourari?
> >
> > To my ears it sounds mediocre, boring and
> > ruminative.
>
> Interesting to see you mention Lupu. He's just
> a completely closed book for me. I listened to
> some things recently, Brahms and Schubert
> and Beethoven and Mozart, and I thought, to
> steal your expression "mediocre, boring and
> ruminative."

Did you ever hear him live?

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by: AB - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:34 UTC

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:25:05 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 5:00:14 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 11:32:30 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:05:16 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > > > > really exceptional.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > This is better:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> > > > >
> > > > > good playing, bad sounding piano
> > > >
> > > > Oh the playing seems to me to be deeply felt,
> > > "Deeply felt" is meaningless to other people
> > > who do not read your mind and emotions, and
> > > who do not know what emotions you experience
> > > when you listen to this recording. Since the entire
> > > recording is on line on YouTube, can you illustrate
> > > what you mean through appropriately selected
> > > snippets?
> > > > "he’s not just going through the motions or
> > > > delivering " a cool rendition, it’s “authentic”
> > > Another completely meaningless sentence.
> > > > I think that’s why I’ve found it quite an addictive
> > > > recording.
> > > We still don't know what you mean, or what
> > > makes this performance "addictive" for you.
> > > Perhaps you could provide some examples
> > > that illustrate why this performance sounds
> > > to you more "addictive" than another one.
> > > How about a side by side comparison
> > > with Richter, Grimaud, Lupu and Anna
> > > Gourari?
> > >
> > > To my ears it sounds mediocre, boring and
> > > ruminative.
> >
> > Interesting to see you mention Lupu. He's just
> > a completely closed book for me. I listened to
> > some things recently, Brahms and Schubert
> > and Beethoven and Mozart, and I thought, to
> > steal your expression "mediocre, boring and
> > ruminative."
> Did you ever hear him live?
>
> dk
heard him live in the 80s. musical enuf but not too exciting. Brahms sonata lacked power. Perihia (sp? ) was there. must be friends.....

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by: Mandryka - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 19:31 UTC

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:25:05 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 5:00:14 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 11:32:30 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:05:16 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:02:50 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > I found this last week on Spotify and I
> > > > > > > > can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
> > > > > > > > really exceptional.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
> > > > > > > few pieces and did not like hiw way
> > > > > > > with the music (leaving sound aside).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > This is better:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
> > > > >
> > > > > good playing, bad sounding piano
> > > >
> > > > Oh the playing seems to me to be deeply felt,
> > > "Deeply felt" is meaningless to other people
> > > who do not read your mind and emotions, and
> > > who do not know what emotions you experience
> > > when you listen to this recording. Since the entire
> > > recording is on line on YouTube, can you illustrate
> > > what you mean through appropriately selected
> > > snippets?
> > > > "he’s not just going through the motions or
> > > > delivering " a cool rendition, it’s “authentic”
> > > Another completely meaningless sentence.
> > > > I think that’s why I’ve found it quite an addictive
> > > > recording.
> > > We still don't know what you mean, or what
> > > makes this performance "addictive" for you.
> > > Perhaps you could provide some examples
> > > that illustrate why this performance sounds
> > > to you more "addictive" than another one.
> > > How about a side by side comparison
> > > with Richter, Grimaud, Lupu and Anna
> > > Gourari?
> > >
> > > To my ears it sounds mediocre, boring and
> > > ruminative.
> >
> > Interesting to see you mention Lupu. He's just
> > a completely closed book for me. I listened to
> > some things recently, Brahms and Schubert
> > and Beethoven and Mozart, and I thought, to
> > steal your expression "mediocre, boring and
> > ruminative."
> Did you ever hear him live?
>
> dk

I can't remember, maybe a Mozart concerto in the 1980s or 1990s -- but I'm not sure.

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by: Todd M. McComb - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 20:08 UTC

In article <31952bb6-db86-4a7f-9cdb-b0ec047467e2n@googlegroups.com>,
Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Deeply felt" is meaningless to other people who do not read your
>mind and emotions, and who do not know what emotions you experience
>when you listen to this recording.

I guess I feel compelled to remark on this remark. (No comment
implied on the Brahms.)

Limbic resonance is a basic evolutionary trait of mammals. We are
supposed to be able to resonante with what other people are feeling
-- and that certainly includes with a musical performer!

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by: Owen - Mon, 3 Jan 2022 17:07 UTC

On 1/1/22 2:02 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 2:01:03 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:02:21 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
>>> I found this last week on Spotify and I
>>> can’t stop myself playing it. I think it is
>>> really exceptional.
>>
>> Ugly acid metallic sound. I sampled a
>> few pieces and did not like hiw way
>> with the music (leaving sound aside).
>>
>
> This is better:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqiwHeyTzueBo8OVyU3DbrBYeyO9iks_0
>
> dk

Agreed! Very nice playing.

-Owen

You're a card which will have to be dealt with.

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Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	AB
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	AB
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Todd M. McComb
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Owen
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Mandryka
Re: Pawel Kamasa plays late Brahms piano music	Dan Koren