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 by: Frank Berger - Mon, 17 Jan 2022 22:37 UTC

I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload Haydn Sonatas from Meridian. There appears to be no documentation of when these were recorded, and I suspect Meridian will not provide the information (I've asked them about other recordings and they've not been cooperative). I've searched the Web and come up empty. So if anyone knows, I would appreciate the information. TIA.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 04:02 UTC

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
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> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.

Why didn't you order Derzhavina?

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:28 UTC

On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
>
> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>
> dk

When did you stop beating your wife?

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:43 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>
> >> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
> >> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
> >
> > Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>
> When did you stop beating your wife?

After hearing Derzhavina....

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:18 UTC

On 1/18/2022 2:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
>>>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
>>>
>>> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>>
>> When did you stop beating your wife?
>
> After hearing Derzhavina....
>
> dk

Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:41 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:18:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
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> Timofeyeva is the set I want.
> I ​know they are on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQdSUYrXuAg
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCFP79P7Gg

Also Derzhavina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrdUrBgKWpI&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY-Yirmc3joRopd8y05sUrnk

They are both terrific, however
Derzhavina includes additional
works, and has the advantage
of not being all in a single file.

Use youtube-dl to download. It
can handle playlists.

https://youtube-dl.org/

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:22 UTC

On 1/18/2022 3:41 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:18:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>> Timofeyeva is the set I want.
>> I ​know they are on YouTube.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQdSUYrXuAg
> or
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCFP79P7Gg
>
> Also Derzhavina:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrdUrBgKWpI&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY-Yirmc3joRopd8y05sUrnk
>
> They are both terrific, however
> Derzhavina includes additional
> works, and has the advantage
> of not being all in a single file.
>
> Use youtube-dl to download. It
> can handle playlists.
>
> https://youtube-dl.org/
>
> dk

At this is state in my life, I don't think I want to deal with command line executables with zillions of options.

For what I spend on CDs I could probably hire an IT guy. Just kidding. Maybe,

I am perfectly happy to buy the Derzhavina CDs, should I decide I want them.

There was a Venezia CD box of Timofeyeva's complete Haydn sonatas, but I've never seen one offered for sale.

I dislike downloading, but occasionally do. Usually then I burn to CD. Stupid, I know.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:42 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 1:22:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/18/2022 3:41 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > Use youtube-dl to download. It
> > can handle playlists.
> >
> > https://youtube-dl.org/
>
> At this is state in my life, I don't think I
> want to deal with command line executables
> with zillions of options. I dislike downloading,
> but occasionally do. Usually then I burn to CD.

If you don't like to deal with command
line utilities the 4k YouTube downloader
is for you: https://www.4kdownload.com.

It downloads both video and audio, and
can extract audio in multiple formats
from videos. This is what I use. There
is also a sibling MP3 downloader:

https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#videodownloader
https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#youtubetomp3

BTW the smart thing to do with multiple
CD sets is to burn them to single DVDs
or BDs. It saves space! ;-)

No need to hire IT guys. ;-)

dk

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 by: Ricardo Jimenez - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:44 UTC

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 15:18:10 -0500, Frank Berger
<frankdberger@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/18/2022 2:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
>>>>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>>>
>>> When did you stop beating your wife?
>>
>> After hearing Derzhavina....
>>
>> dk
>
>Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.

I was able to get the complete Timofeyeva set from Japan a number of
years ago. There are 9 individual Haydn sonata discs by Bavouzet on
Spotify. Does anybody know offhand if that is a complete set? I
tossed the Cload discs I had, not competitive IMHO.

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 by: Dan Koren - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:49 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 1:44:32 PM UTC-8, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 15:18:10 -0500, Frank Berger <frankd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.
>
> I was able to get the complete
> Timofeyeva set from Japan a
> number of years ago. There are
> 9 individual Haydn sonata discs
> by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> anybody know offhand if that is
> a complete set? I tossed the Cload
> discs I had, not competitive IMHO.

Isn't she a fine English pianist?
Oy vey!

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 23:40 UTC

On 1/18/2022 4:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 1:22:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 1/18/2022 3:41 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>
>>> Use youtube-dl to download. It
>>> can handle playlists.
>>>
>>> https://youtube-dl.org/
>>
>> At this is state in my life, I don't think I
>> want to deal with command line executables
>> with zillions of options. I dislike downloading,
>> but occasionally do. Usually then I burn to CD.
>
> If you don't like to deal with command
> line utilities the 4k YouTube downloader
> is for you: https://www.4kdownload.com.
>
> It downloads both video and audio, and
> can extract audio in multiple formats
> from videos. This is what I use. There
> is also a sibling MP3 downloader:
>
> https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#videodownloader
> https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#youtubetomp3
>
> BTW the smart thing to do with multiple
> CD sets is to burn them to single DVDs
> or BDs. It saves space! ;-)
>
> No need to hire IT guys. ;-)
>
> dk
>
>

How much do I owe you?

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 by: Frank Berger - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 23:41 UTC

On 1/18/2022 4:44 PM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 15:18:10 -0500, Frank Berger
> <frankdberger@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/2022 2:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
>>>>>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>>>>
>>>> When did you stop beating your wife?
>>>
>>> After hearing Derzhavina....
>>>
>>> dk
>>
>> Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.
>
> I was able to get the complete Timofeyeva set from Japan a number of
> years ago.

Key phrase: "A couple of years ago."

There are 9 individual Haydn sonata discs by Bavouzet on
> Spotify. Does anybody know offhand if that is a complete set? I
> tossed the Cload discs I had, not competitive IMHO.

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 05:45 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/18/2022 4:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 1:22:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 1/18/2022 3:41 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Use youtube-dl to download. It
> >>> can handle playlists.
> >>>
> >>> https://youtube-dl.org/
> >>
> >> At this is state in my life, I don't think I
> >> want to deal with command line executables
> >> with zillions of options. I dislike downloading,
> >> but occasionally do. Usually then I burn to CD.
> >
> > If you don't like to deal with command
> > line utilities the 4k YouTube downloader
> > is for you: https://www.4kdownload.com.
> >
> > It downloads both video and audio, and
> > can extract audio in multiple formats
> > from videos. This is what I use. There
> > is also a sibling MP3 downloader:
> >
> > https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#videodownloader
> > https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#youtubetomp3
> >
> > BTW the smart thing to do with multiple
> > CD sets is to burn them to single DVDs
> > or BDs. It saves space! ;-)
> >
> > No need to hire IT guys. ;-)
>
> How much do I owe you?

Nothing. I am not an IT guy!

dk

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 by: AB - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 18:57 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:41:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/18/2022 4:44 PM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 15:18:10 -0500, Frank Berger
> > <frankd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/18/2022 2:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
> >>>>>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
> >>>>
> >>>> When did you stop beating your wife?
> >>>
> >>> After hearing Derzhavina....
> >>>
> >>> dk
> >>
> >> Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.
> >
> > I was able to get the complete Timofeyeva set from Japan a number of
> > years ago.
> Key phrase: "A couple of years ago."
> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata discs by Bavouzet on
> > Spotify. Does anybody know offhand if that is a complete set? I
> > tossed the Cload discs I had, not competitive IMHO.

Derz. sounds a lot better more musical, better piano

AB

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 by: Owen - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:34 UTC

On 1/18/22 2:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
>>>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
>>>
>>> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>>
>> When did you stop beating your wife?
>
> After hearing Derzhavina....
>
> dk

Best Newsgroup Response for 2022 so far!

-Owen

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:41 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>
> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> anybody know offhand if that is a
> complete set?

I haven't checked. Note however that
Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
the sonatas, if nothing more than that.

dk

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 by: Ricardo Jimenez - Thu, 20 Jan 2022 00:50 UTC

On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:41:54 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
<dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>>
>> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
>> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
>> anybody know offhand if that is a
>> complete set?
>
>I haven't checked. Note however that
>Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
>piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
>likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
>the sonatas, if nothing more than that.
>
>dk
The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short non sonata works to fill out
disc 9. She also came out with a 2019 two disc set of Haydn,
Variations & Pieces. All excellent but I think Bavouzet is at least
as good. Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo divertimento in F
minor on disc 4.

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On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>
> I think Bavouzet is at least as good.

Not even close. Randomly picking Sonata no. 35,
here's Bavouzet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJau1L0OaA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oUYz43igg

And here's Derzhavina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvZhTVc5Bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmLn0TyNmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=betkrYbVroQ

They are not even from the same planet!

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:13 UTC

On 1/19/2022 8:03 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>>
>> I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
>
> Not even close. Randomly picking Sonata no. 35,
> here's Bavouzet:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJau1L0OaA
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u_fP7-Rj0
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oUYz43igg
>
> And here's Derzhavina:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvZhTVc5Bk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmLn0TyNmw
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=betkrYbVroQ
>
> They are not even from the same planet!
>
> dk

And the Bavouzet set will cost over 3 times the Derzhavina!

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 by: Ricardo Jimenez - Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:29 UTC

On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:13:01 -0500, Frank Berger
<frankdberger@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/19/2022 8:03 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
>>
>> Not even close. Randomly picking Sonata no. 35,
>> here's Bavouzet:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJau1L0OaA
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u_fP7-Rj0
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oUYz43igg
>>
>> And here's Derzhavina:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvZhTVc5Bk
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmLn0TyNmw
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=betkrYbVroQ
>>
>> They are not even from the same planet!
>>
>> dk
>
>
>And the Bavouzet set will cost over 3 times the Derzhavina!

Not for those of us who listen to both sets on Spotify. Except for
Hyperion and sone really rare stuff on Broinc, I have stopped buying
CDs. I need the room for my DVDs/Blu-rays.

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On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 8:13:08 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 8:03 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> >>
> >> I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
> >
> > Not even close. Randomly picking Sonata no. 35,
> > here's Bavouzet:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJau1L0OaA
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u_fP7-Rj0
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oUYz43igg
> >
> > And here's Derzhavina:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvZhTVc5Bk
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmLn0TyNmw
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=betkrYbVroQ
> >
> > They are not even from the same planet!
>
> And the Bavouzet set will cost over 3 times
> Derzhavina!

French luxury!

It doesn't take more than a few minutes for
anyone with a reasonable understanding of
piano playing to recognize Bavouzet is not
"competitive".

dk

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Op donderdag 20 januari 2022 om 01:50:08 UTC+1 schreef Ricardo Jimenez:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:41:54 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
> <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> >>
> >> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
> >> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> >> anybody know offhand if that is a
> >> complete set?
> >
> >I haven't checked. Note however that
> >Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
> >piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
> >likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
> >the sonatas, if nothing more than that.
> >
> >dk
> The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short non sonata works to fill out
> disc 9. She also came out with a 2019 two disc set of Haydn,
> Variations & Pieces. All excellent but I think Bavouzet is at least
> as good. Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo divertimento in F
> minor on disc 4.

Seconded. I like Derzhavina in the Russian repertoire but prefer Bavouzet's Haydn.

Henk

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On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:12:12 AM UTC-5, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op donderdag 20 januari 2022 om 01:50:08 UTC+1 schreef Ricardo Jimenez:
> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:41:54 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
> > <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
> > >> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> > >> anybody know offhand if that is a
> > >> complete set?
> > >
> > >I haven't checked. Note however that
> > >Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
> > >piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
> > >likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
> > >the sonatas, if nothing more than that.
> >
> > The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short
> > non sonata works to fill out disc 9. She
> > also came out with a 2019 two disc set
> > of Haydn, Variations & Pieces. All excellent
> > but I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
> > Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo
> > divertimento in F minor on disc 4.
>
> Seconded. I like Derzhavina in the Russian
> repertoire but prefer Bavouzet's Haydn.
>

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

dk

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 by: Ricardo Jimenez - Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:53 UTC

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:14:25 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
<dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:12:12 AM UTC-5, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>> Op donderdag 20 januari 2022 om 01:50:08 UTC+1 schreef Ricardo Jimenez:
>> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:41:54 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
>> > <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
>> > >> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
>> > >> anybody know offhand if that is a
>> > >> complete set?
>> > >
>> > >I haven't checked. Note however that
>> > >Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
>> > >piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
>> > >likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
>> > >the sonatas, if nothing more than that.
>> >
>> > The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short
>> > non sonata works to fill out disc 9. She
>> > also came out with a 2019 two disc set
>> > of Haydn, Variations & Pieces. All excellent
>> > but I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
>> > Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo
>> > divertimento in F minor on disc 4.
>>
>> Seconded. I like Derzhavina in the Russian
>> repertoire but prefer Bavouzet's Haydn.
>>
>
>?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
>dk

Dan picked an example where Deszhavina made the music more quirky and
interesting. I don't spend time making individual comparisons. If a
set as a whole is enjoyable, I recommend it. I own more Haydn piano
sonata recordings than any other piano works,Timofeyeva, Hamelin, Ax,
Reisenberg, etc and enjoy them all. But I found Cloud uniformly dull
and acted accordingly. I never pass up an opportunity to listen to
new versions on Spotify but trying to decide who is better in any
particular sonata is not for me.

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On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:53:39 AM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:14:25 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
> <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:12:12 AM UTC-5, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> >> Op donderdag 20 januari 2022 om 01:50:08 UTC+1 schreef Ricardo Jimenez:
> >> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:41:54 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
> >> > <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
> >> > >> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> >> > >> anybody know offhand if that is a
> >> > >> complete set?
> >> > >
> >> > >I haven't checked. Note however that
> >> > >Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
> >> > >piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
> >> > >likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
> >> > >the sonatas, if nothing more than that.
> >> >
> >> > The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short
> >> > non sonata works to fill out disc 9. She
> >> > also came out with a 2019 two disc set
> >> > of Haydn, Variations & Pieces. All excellent
> >> > but I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
> >> > Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo
> >> > divertimento in F minor on disc 4.
> >>
> >> Seconded. I like Derzhavina in the Russian
> >> repertoire but prefer Bavouzet's Haydn.
> >
> >?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
> Dan picked an example where Deszhavina
> made the music more quirky and interesting.

No, she didn't. THAT IS THE MUSIC !!!!!

> I don't spend time making individual comparisons.

One's ears do it automatically, regardless
of what one thinks one might be doing or
not.

> If a set as a whole is enjoyable, I recommend it.

Returning to LTMSFI? One had thought that
cancer had been overcome and eliminated!

> I own more Haydn piano sonata recordings
> than any other piano works,

Quantity over quality?

> Timofeyeva, Hamelin, Ax, Reisenberg,
> etc and enjoy them all.

Just give them the Ax!
> But I found Cloud uniformly dull and
> acted accordingly. I never pass up an
> opportunity to listen to new versions
> on Spotify but trying to decide who is
> better in any particular sonata is not
> for me.
And your ears don't notice differences
in interpretation unless you listen with
a manifest purpose?

dk

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