Favourite versions?

Currently enjoying violinist Giuliano Carmignola etc. in op. 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_jgQNFSNzg

On 12 Mar 2022 Andy Evans wrote:

> Favourite versions?

L'Archibudelli.

Chris

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 16:13:23 UTC, Chris J. wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2022 Andy Evans wrote:
>
> > Favourite versions?
> > L'Archibudelli. > > Chris

I just heard them on the BBC in the UK (Building a Library) in Schubert's C major quintet - very good. The recording quality in the Brahms seems to be a bit more edgy on my system.

Dans son message précédent, Andy Evans a écrit :
> Favourite versions?

n°1 : Academy of St Martin-in-the-Fields.....
n°2 : Carmirelli/Toth/Levine/Naegele/Reichenberger/Arico...

On 12 Mar 2022 Andy Evans wrote:

>> > Favourite versions?

> > L'Archibudelli.
> I just heard them on the BBC in the UK (Building a Library) in
> Schubert's C major quintet - very good.

My favourite recording of that work.

> The recording quality in the
> Brahms seems to be a bit more edgy on my system.

Also very good imho: Hausmusik.

https://signumrecords.com/product/brahms-the-sextets/SIGCD013/

Chris

Andy Evans schrieb am Samstag, 12. März 2022 um 17:55:03 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 16:13:23 UTC, Chris J. wrote:
> > On 12 Mar 2022 Andy Evans wrote:
> >
> > > Favourite versions?
> > > L'Archibudelli. > > Chris
> I just heard them on the BBC in the UK (Building a Library) in Schubert's C major quintet - very good. The recording quality in the Brahms seems to be a bit more edgy on my system.

Archibudelli's Schubert quintet is better known to me because I got their disc with Brahms sextets only a week ago or so, but I think they are both worthy alternatives although to me the Brahms also seems more edgy, not sure whether in sound or playing. It's further away from more mellow recordings, such as the (excellent) Raphael/hyperion than their Schubert.

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:39:53 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> Favourite versions?
> Currently enjoying violinist Giuliano Carmignola etc. in op. 18.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_jgQNFSNzg

Was Brahms sexting?

Sextets are inefficient.
One can have two trios
instead with the same
resources.

dk

On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 06:28:34 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> Sextets are inefficient.
> One can have two trios
> instead with the same
> resources.
> > dk

Indeed - the players would use less fuel getting to gigs so an environmentally sound policy.

Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works - much better. I tried a couple of chamber versions but really disliked the extra strings.

On 3/14/2022 5:48 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 06:28:34 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> Sextets are inefficient.
>> One can have two trios
>> instead with the same
>> resources.
>>> dk
>
> Indeed - the players would use less fuel getting to gigs so an environmentally sound policy.

Not so clear. Six people in one van going to the same place may be more fuel-efficient than 3 people in each of to cars going to different places. I realize we are kidding around, but there is a serious omission in this kind of "analysis" (which extremists especially do all the time). It totally ignores the preferences of people who actually want to hear sextets.
>
> Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works - much better. I tried a couple of chamber versions but really disliked the extra strings.

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:48:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>
>. I tried a couple of chamber versions
> but really disliked the extra strings.

Strings are always too many.

dk

On 3/14/22 10:11 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:48:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>
>> . I tried a couple of chamber versions
>> but really disliked the extra strings.
>
> Strings are always too many.
>
> dk

Even on pianos?

Bob Harper

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, Andy Evans wrote:

> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 06:28:34 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> Sextets are inefficient.
>> One can have two trios
>> instead with the same
>> resources.
>>> dk
>
> Indeed - the players would use less fuel getting to gigs so an environmentally sound policy.
>
> Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works - much better. I tried a couple of chamber versions but really disliked the extra strings.

Far better. The same is true for "Verklaerte" Nacht and
Souvenirs de Florence".
--
Al Eisner

In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2203151404190.37429@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eisner@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, Andy Evans wrote:
>>Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works -
>>much better.
>The same is true for "Verklaerte" Nacht ....

Try Milton Babbitt's version!

But yes, I mostly prefer works in smaller/chamber scorings as well....

On 2022-03-15 3:05 p.m., Al Eisner wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, Andy Evans wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 06:28:34 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Sextets are inefficient.
>>> One can have two trios
>>> instead with the same
>>> resources.
>>>> dk
>>
>> Indeed - the players would use less fuel getting to gigs so an
>> environmentally sound policy.
>>
>> Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works -
>> much better. I tried a couple of chamber versions but really disliked
>> the extra strings.
>
> Far better.  The same is true for "Verklaerte" Nacht and Souvenirs de
> Florence".

For the latter I prefer the ASMF version. Gorgeous string playing.

On 3/15/22 3:15 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-03-15 3:05 p.m., Al Eisner wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, Andy Evans wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 06:28:34 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Sextets are inefficient.
>>>> One can have two trios
>>>> instead with the same
>>>> resources.
>>>>> dk
>>>
>>> Indeed - the players would use less fuel getting to gigs so an
>>> environmentally sound policy.
>>>
>>> Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works -
>>> much better. I tried a couple of chamber versions but really disliked
>>> the extra strings.
>>
>> Far better.  The same is true for "Verklaerte" Nacht and Souvenirs de
>> Florence".
>
> For the latter I prefer the ASMF version. Gorgeous string playing.

For the Tchaikovsky, this:

tinyurl.com/46rdxehd

Bob Harper

Op 2022-03-15 om 22:05 schreef Al Eisner:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, Andy Evans wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 06:28:34 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Sextets are inefficient.
>>> One can have two trios
>>> instead with the same
>>> resources.
>>>> dk
>>
>> Indeed - the players would use less fuel getting to gigs so an
>> environmentally sound policy.
>>
>> Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works -
>> much better. I tried a couple of chamber versions but really disliked
>> the extra strings.
>
> Far better.  The same is true for "Verklaerte" Nacht and Souvenirs de
> Florence".

Not for me. I like the string orchestra recordings of Souvenir de
Florence far better than sextet recordings.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022, Todd M. McComb wrote:

> In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2203151404190.37429@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eisner@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022, Andy Evans wrote:
>>> Sextets are better than chamber orchestras in these Brahms works -
>>> much better.
>> The same is true for "Verklaerte" Nacht ....
>
> Try Milton Babbitt's version!

Do you have a link? I didn't find anything with a (perhaps cursory)
web search.

> But yes, I mostly prefer works in smaller/chamber scorings as well....
>
In response to other comments: I agree the Tchaikovsky works better in
larger ensembles than do the Brahms and Schoenberg, but I still prefer
the original.
--
Al Eisner

In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2203161627080.53549@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eisner@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Mar 2022, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>> Try Milton Babbitt's version!
>Do you have a link?

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8063751--transfigured-notes-works-by-schoenberg-babbitt-and-stravinsky

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022, Todd M. McComb wrote:

> In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2203161627080.53549@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eisner@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>>> Try Milton Babbitt's version!
>> Do you have a link?
>
> https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8063751--transfigured-notes-works-by-schoenberg-babbitt-and-stravinsky

I hadn't found that because I thought you were reerring to Brahms.
--
Al Eisner

In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2203171246070.64772@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eisner@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>I hadn't found that because I thought you were reerring to Brahms.

Ah, sorry. I tend to forget the Subject line....