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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpko0t0VYeQ

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 by: MELMOTH - Sat, 9 Apr 2022 08:30 UTC

Dan Koren a formulé ce samedi :
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpko0t0VYeQ

I have just listened to the Transcendental Etudes...By Cziffra, of
course !...These works are pure masterpieces...

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:15 UTC

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 1:30:07 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren a formulé ce samedi :
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpko0t0VYeQ
>
> I have just listened to the Transcendental Etudes...By
> Cziffra, of course !...These works are pure masterpieces...
Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HauN8oTXpJg&list=OLAK5uy_nSzUv4XhTIUBBTn0g1GO0vVcSs-RGwikw

dk

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 by: MELMOTH - Sat, 9 Apr 2022 11:14 UTC

Dan Koren a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
> Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

I have spent the last few days listening to all the Liszt (12 Cds) by
Cziffra...Fabulous! (except the Sonata, alas)...
But I know "Madame Liszt", of course !...

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 by: Andy Evans - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:20 UTC

On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

> Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
> > dk
Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of the piece.

I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place. The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism into the melody. This is something that most pianists fail to do and who can blame them.

Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it but who knows.....

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:40 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
>
> Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
> they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
> the piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

> I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.

Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".

> The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
> RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
> into the melody. This is something that most pianists
> fail to do and who can blame them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

> Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
> piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
> magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
> but who knows.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:42 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > > Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
> >
> > Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
> > they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
> > the piece.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
>
> > I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.
>
> Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".
>
> > The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
> > RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
> > into the melody. This is something that most pianists
> > fail to do and who can blame them.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
>
> > Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
> > piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
> > magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
> > but who knows.....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
>

Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ

dk

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 by: Andy Evans - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:45 UTC

On Thursday, 16 March 2023 at 10:42:49 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
> > >
> > > Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
> > > they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
> > > the piece.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> >
> > > I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.
> >
> > Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".
> >
> > > The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
> > > RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
> > > into the melody. This is something that most pianists
> > > fail to do and who can blame them.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> >
> > > Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
> > > piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
> > > magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
> > > but who knows.....
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> >
> Also
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ
>
> dk

Ervin Nyíregyházi is good - I know that version. I'm not so keen on Cziffra here, though his LH figures are nice and clear. The melody is rather metronomic.

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 by: AB - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 17:44 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:42:49 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
> > >
> > > Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
> > > they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
> > > the piece.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> >
> > > I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.
> >
> > Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".
> >
> > > The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
> > > RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
> > > into the melody. This is something that most pianists
> > > fail to do and who can blame them.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> >
> > > Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
> > > piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
> > > magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
> > > but who knows.....
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> >
> Also
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ
>
> dk

wow- fabulous.
AB

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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 17 Mar 2023 06:30 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:44:39 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:42:49 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
> > > >
> > > > Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
> > > > they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
> > > > the piece.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> > >
> > > > I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.
> > >
> > > Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".
> > >
> > > > The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
> > > > RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
> > > > into the melody. This is something that most pianists
> > > > fail to do and who can blame them.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> > >
> > > > Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
> > > > piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
> > > > magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
> > > > but who knows.....
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw
> > >
> > Also
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ
>
> wow- fabulous.

Also of historical interest:

Emil von Sauer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHjU0aj7J_k

Louis Kentner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORjGkiHv3zE

And some younger artists:

Melodie Zhao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZNhcRzJTO4

Mei Rui:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GwvxdICK7s

dk

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