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* MERCURY...MELMOTH
+* Re: MERCURY...Sound Dynamics Associates
|+- Re: MERCURY...Norman Schwartz
|`- Re: MERCURY...MELMOTH
`* Re: MERCURY...mswd...@gmail.com
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From: theom...@free.fr (MELMOTH)
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 by: MELMOTH - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:00 UTC

Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
sound recording...
How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
of...
Mystery...

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 by: Sound Dynamics Assoc - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:03 UTC

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:00:38 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
> more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
> sound recording...
> How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
> ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
> microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
> of...
> Mystery...

Part of the mystery can be solved if you listen very carefully. Spot
microphones were often added to the "famous" 3 mic, stereo Merc setup.

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 by: Norman Schwartz - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:21 UTC

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:03:24 PM UTC-4, haydnh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:00:38 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> > Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
> > more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
> > sound recording...
> > How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
> > ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
> > microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
> > of...
> > Mystery...
> Part of the mystery can be solved if you listen very carefully. Spot
> microphones were often added to the "famous" 3 mic, stereo Merc setup.

It sounds that way to me, even with only casual listening, but that makes a lie out of their information that only 2 or 3 microphones were used.

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 by: MELMOTH - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:23 UTC

Sound Dynamics Associates a formulé la demande :
> Part of the mystery can be solved if you listen very carefully. Spot
> microphones were often added to the "famous" 3 mic, stereo Merc setup.

Even on mono recordings ?...The Kubrick are fabulous...

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 by: mswd...@gmail.com - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 02:33 UTC

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:00:38 AM UTC-5, MELMOTH wrote:
> Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
> more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
> sound recording...
> How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
> ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
> microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
> of...
> Mystery...

In my youth I hated the sound of Mercury recordings. Bright, harsh, dry. Now I require hearing aids to hear a full frequency range and Mercurys sound quite good on EQ'd headphones with a mild treble boost. I'd say RCA did it better, but I'm still looking forward to a Paray mono box.

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 by: Kerrison - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 04:34 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:33:36 AM UTC+1, mswd....com wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:00:38 AM UTC-5, MELMOTH wrote:
> > Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
> > more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
> > sound recording...
> > How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
> > ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
> > microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
> > of...
> > Mystery...
> In my youth I hated the sound of Mercury recordings. Bright, harsh, dry. Now I require hearing aids to hear a full frequency range and Mercurys sound quite good on EQ'd headphones with a mild treble boost. I'd say RCA did it better, but I'm still looking forward to a Paray mono box.

Pristine issued 7 CDs of Paray / Detroit mono recordings in beautifully crisp sonics. Here are the details ...

https://www.pristineclassical.com/search?q=Paul+Paray+NOT+title%3ACD&type=Product

And there are some audio samples on YouTube too ...

Rimsky "Russian Easter" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyp_id0jgj4

Beethoven 7th finale ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtR09-YZnps

Ravel "La Valse" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTf__Gv4ns

A comment under this one says "it is even better than the stereo recording made in 1962."

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:23 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 6:34:18 PM UTC-10, Kerrison wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:33:36 AM UTC+1, mswd....com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:00:38 AM UTC-5, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
> > > more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
> > > sound recording...
> > > How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
> > > ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
> > > microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
> > > of...
> > > Mystery...
> > In my youth I hated the sound of Mercury recordings. Bright, harsh, dry.. Now I require hearing aids to hear a full frequency range and Mercurys sound quite good on EQ'd headphones with a mild treble boost. I'd say RCA did it better, but I'm still looking forward to a Paray mono box.
> Pristine issued 7 CDs of Paray / Detroit mono recordings in beautifully crisp sonics. Here are the details ...
>
> https://www.pristineclassical.com/search?q=Paul+Paray+NOT+title%3ACD&type=Product
>
> And there are some audio samples on YouTube too ...
>
> Rimsky "Russian Easter" ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyp_id0jgj4
>
> Beethoven 7th finale ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtR09-YZnps
>
> Ravel "La Valse" ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTf__Gv4ns
>
> A comment under this one says "it is even better than the stereo recording made in 1962."

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/gcXQ3yZEvIM/m/DGhIY-FjAAAJ

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:30 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 6:34:18 PM UTC-10, Kerrison wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:33:36 AM UTC+1, mswd....com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:00:38 AM UTC-5, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > Every time I listen to a MERCURY recording (which I have been doing for
> > > more than 60 years!), I am amazed and dazzled by the quality of the
> > > sound recording...
> > > How can it be that one has NEVER done better for 50 or 70 years?!...I
> > > ask the question...What Fine and Cozart have succeeded with 1 or 3
> > > microphones and two tape recorders is quite simply incredible, unheard
> > > of...
> > > Mystery...
> > In my youth I hated the sound of Mercury recordings. Bright, harsh, dry.. Now I require hearing aids to hear a full frequency range and Mercurys sound quite good on EQ'd headphones with a mild treble boost. I'd say RCA did it better, but I'm still looking forward to a Paray mono box.
> Pristine issued 7 CDs of Paray / Detroit mono recordings in beautifully crisp sonics. Here are the details ...
>
> https://www.pristineclassical.com/search?q=Paul+Paray+NOT+title%3ACD&type=Product
>
> And there are some audio samples on YouTube too ...
>
> Rimsky "Russian Easter" ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyp_id0jgj4
>
> Beethoven 7th finale ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtR09-YZnps
>
> Ravel "La Valse" ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTf__Gv4ns
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> A comment under this one says "it is even better than the stereo recording made in 1962."

Weren't Paray's stereo recordings made during the early stereo period when stereo recordings couldn't hold as much music as mono recordings?

Are the timings of the earlier mono recordings for those pieces that he later recorded in stereo longer than in the later stereo remakes? Therefore, were the tempos of the later stereo recordings faster than those early stereo recordings because they couldn't hold as much music as the earlier mono recordings?

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