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* Bruce Liu PIT PC#2Dan Koren
+* Re: Bruce Liu PIT PC#2JohnGavin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ

Re: Bruce Liu PIT PC#2

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:54:00 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ

He proves again that the Chopin Competition jury were correct. I’m a fan.

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
Thanks for posting this, Dan.

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 1:30:18 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> Thanks for posting this, Dan.

It sounds like a decent performance,
though it is quite far from bein truly
excellent. His technique is barely
adequate for this work.

dk

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 by: MELMOTH - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:01 UTC

Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ

Barely acceptable...

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:42 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>
> Barely acceptable...

Isn't this exactly what I said?
Who do you like in this work?
Warning: this is a test! ;-)

dk

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Op woensdag 20 april 2022 om 08:54:00 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ

Thanks! A great performance.

Henk

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 by: Frank Berger - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:24 UTC

On 4/20/2022 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
>> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>>
>> Barely acceptable...
>
> Isn't this exactly what I said?
> Who do you like in this work?
> Warning: this is a test! ;-)
>
> dk

What do you think of Zhukov, Gilels, Cherkassky and Moiseiwitch?

With these and others Liu has a lot of competition.

Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?

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 by: HT - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:59 UTC

Op woensdag 20 april 2022 om 15:24:45 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:
> On 4/20/2022 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> >> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> >>
> >> Barely acceptable...
> >
> > Isn't this exactly what I said?
> > Who do you like in this work?
> > Warning: this is a test! ;-)
> >
> > dk
> What do you think of Zhukov, Gilels, Cherkassky and Moiseiwitch?
>
> With these and others Liu has a lot of competition.
>
>
> Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?

Perhaps one should compare him with youngsters like Geniusas, Kantorow (by far the worst of the lot), Malofeev. Did Debargue ever play this concerto?

BTW, Eileen Joyce is certainly worth a listen.

Henk

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 by: Frank Berger - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 14:28 UTC

On 4/20/2022 9:59 AM, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 20 april 2022 om 15:24:45 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:
>> On 4/20/2022 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
>>>> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>>>>
>>>> Barely acceptable...
>>>
>>> Isn't this exactly what I said?
>>> Who do you like in this work?
>>> Warning: this is a test! ;-)
>>>
>>> dk
>> What do you think of Zhukov, Gilels, Cherkassky and Moiseiwitch?
>>
>> With these and others Liu has a lot of competition.
>>
>>
>> Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
>
> Perhaps one should compare him with youngsters like Geniusas, Kantorow (by far the worst of the lot), Malofeev. Did Debargue ever play this concerto?
>

I suppose, if one was interested in attending live performances or especially interested in modern sound recordings, neither of which I am.

> BTW, Eileen Joyce is certainly worth a listen.
>
> Henk
>
>
>

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 by: MELMOTH - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:27 UTC

Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?

The original, of course !...
I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:27:27 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> The original, of course !...
> I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...

Deaf as always!

dk

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 5:09:24 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op woensdag 20 april 2022 om 08:54:00 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
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> Thanks! A great performance.
>

OK. Not great! He does not
have the chops for "great".

dk

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> What do you think of Zhukov, Gilels, Cherkassky and Moiseiwitch?

As far as commercial recordings go,
Zhukov and Pletnev own the work.
Gilels, meh.

Cherkassky and Moseiwitsch, no.

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> Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?

The Siloti version is junk.

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> The Siloti version is junk.

Siloti was a butcher.

dk

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 by: Owen - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:50 UTC

On 4/20/22 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
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>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>>
>> Barely acceptable...
>
> Isn't this exactly what I said?
> Who do you like in this work?
> Warning: this is a test! ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85ly4in-B4

Miss Wang has the chops, the conductor is better, the orchestra is
better, even the sound is better.

-Owen

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:14 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:51:08 AM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> On 4/20/22 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> >> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> >>
> >> Barely acceptable...
> >
> > Isn't this exactly what I said?
> > Who do you like in this work?
> > Warning: this is a test! ;-)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85ly4in-B4
>
> Miss Wang has the chops, the conductor is better,
> the orchestra is better, even the sound is better.
>

The heels are taller and the dress looks nicer!

Otherwise, La Wang has no chops. She has a
thin, hollow, brittle sound quite common among
Curtis/Graffman graduates. She does not have a
good posture at the piano and does not transfer
mass efficiently into the keyboard. It takes 300
ounds of Petrov, Richter or Sokolov to produce
a decent tone out of Stoneways. Other pianos
are more friendly to lighweight, small framed
pianists. She could certainly afford to use a
Bosie, a Fazioli, or even a Yamaha CFX.

dk

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:51:08 AM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> On 4/20/22 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> >> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> >>
> >> Barely acceptable...
> >
> > Isn't this exactly what I said?
> > Who do you like in this work?
> > Warning: this is a test! ;-)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85ly4in-B4
>
> Miss Wang has the chops, the conductor is better,
> the orchestra is better, even the sound is better.
>

The heels are taller and the dress looks nicer!

Otherwise, La Wang has no chops. She has a
thin, hollow, brittle sound quite common among
Curtis/Graffman graduates. She does not have a
good posture at the piano and does not transfer
mass efficiently into the keyboard. It takes 300
pounds of Petrov, Richter or Sokolov to produce
a decent tone out of Stoneways. Other pianos
are more friendly to lighweight, small framed
pianists. She could certainly afford to use a
Bosie, a Fazioli, or even a Yamaha CFX. One
wonders why her handlers don't speak truth
to her. She should also use pedal extenders.

dk

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 by: JohnGavin - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:21 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 12:16:36 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:51:08 AM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> > On 4/20/22 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > >> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> > >>
> > >> Barely acceptable...
> > >
> > > Isn't this exactly what I said?
> > > Who do you like in this work?
> > > Warning: this is a test! ;-)
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85ly4in-B4
> >
> > Miss Wang has the chops, the conductor is better,
> > the orchestra is better, even the sound is better.
> >
> The heels are taller and the dress looks nicer!
>
> Otherwise, La Wang has no chops.

That’s ridiculous.

The version I’m imprinted on is Gilels’ first recording with Kondrashin. It’s very hot-headed - it even goes off the rails at one point - but very exciting, even though it’s in not great mono sound.

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 by: JohnGavin - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:24 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 12:21:26 PM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 12:16:36 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:51:08 AM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> > > On 4/20/22 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > >> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> > > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> > > >>
> > > >> Barely acceptable...
> > > >
> > > > Isn't this exactly what I said?
> > > > Who do you like in this work?
> > > > Warning: this is a test! ;-)
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85ly4in-B4
> > >
> > > Miss Wang has the chops, the conductor is better,
> > > the orchestra is better, even the sound is better.
> > >
> > The heels are taller and the dress looks nicer!
> >
> > Otherwise, La Wang has no chops.
> That’s ridiculous.
>
> The version I’m imprinted on is Gilels’ first recording with Kondrashin. It’s very hot-headed - it even goes off the rails at one point - but very exciting, even though it’s in not great mono sound.

https://youtu.be/8h_w-G5J-yg

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 by: Frank Berger - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:36 UTC

On 4/20/2022 12:21 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 12:16:36 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:51:08 AM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
>>> On 4/20/22 5:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
>>>>> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>>>>>
>>>>> Barely acceptable...
>>>>
>>>> Isn't this exactly what I said?
>>>> Who do you like in this work?
>>>> Warning: this is a test! ;-)
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85ly4in-B4
>>>
>>> Miss Wang has the chops, the conductor is better,
>>> the orchestra is better, even the sound is better.
>>>
>> The heels are taller and the dress looks nicer!
>>
>> Otherwise, La Wang has no chops.
>
> That’s ridiculous.
>
> The version I’m imprinted on is Gilels’ first recording with Kondrashin. It’s very hot-headed - it even goes off the rails at one point - but very exciting, even though it’s in not great mono sound.

I don't think I've ever seen (another) good review of that.

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ

Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8

You know what *they* say about opinions...

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:39 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
>

Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.

dk

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Subject: Re: Bruce Liu PIT PC#2
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 by: Paul Alsing - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:45 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:39:48 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> > Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
> >
> Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.
>
> dk

.... in your opinion, of course... Matsuev gets lots of very favorable reviews...

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