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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 05:26 UTC

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:19:04 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> This is probably something that's mostly off the record, and maybe a lot of stories are anecdotal or unsubstantaiet. But when a promising career tails off without obvious reason, one thing that comes to mind is the demon drink.
>
> Could be any nationality of course, but I'm curious about some of the Russians. Artists like Rozhtestvensky, Gauk, Sofronitsky and others. I have absolutely no idea if these guys drank or didn't - they're just some names that should maybe have had more substantial international careers, and there could have been any number of reasons for that.

Didn't Eleanor Steber have alcoholism problems?

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 by: drh8h - Thu, 7 Apr 2022 20:35 UTC

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:26:59 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:19:04 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> > This is probably something that's mostly off the record, and maybe a lot of stories are anecdotal or unsubstantaiet. But when a promising career tails off without obvious reason, one thing that comes to mind is the demon drink.
> >
> > Could be any nationality of course, but I'm curious about some of the Russians. Artists like Rozhtestvensky, Gauk, Sofronitsky and others. I have absolutely no idea if these guys drank or didn't - they're just some names that should maybe have had more substantial international careers, and there could have been any number of reasons for that.
> Didn't Eleanor Steber have alcoholism problems?

According to the notes to a Sony Masterworks issue, Steber had such problems.

Two other likely alcoholics: soprano Marie Collier, who fell or jumped to her death and had been drinking; conductor Walter Hendl, who never achieved the success some thought his talents promised.

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 by: Frank Berger - Thu, 7 Apr 2022 21:39 UTC

On 4/7/2022 4:35 PM, drh8h wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:26:59 AM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
>> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:19:04 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
>>> This is probably something that's mostly off the record, and maybe a lot of stories are anecdotal or unsubstantaiet. But when a promising career tails off without obvious reason, one thing that comes to mind is the demon drink.
>>>
>>> Could be any nationality of course, but I'm curious about some of the Russians. Artists like Rozhtestvensky, Gauk, Sofronitsky and others. I have absolutely no idea if these guys drank or didn't - they're just some names that should maybe have had more substantial international careers, and there could have been any number of reasons for that.
>> Didn't Eleanor Steber have alcoholism problems?
>
> According to the notes to a Sony Masterworks issue, Steber had such problems.
>
> Two other likely alcoholics: soprano Marie Collier, who fell or jumped to her death and had been drinking; conductor Walter Hendl, who never achieved the success some thought his talents promised.
>
>

Has anyone wondered whether classical artists are more or less likely to develop addictions than

a) other artists, musical or otherwise
b) anyone else

Is there evidence? There is clearly a selectivity bias problem. When a famous person develops a problem everyone finds out. Not so with John Doe. Maybe I should say Joe Schmo, since John Does seem to end up in the morgue for some reason.

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:41 UTC

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:26:59 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:19:04 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> > This is probably something that's mostly off the record, and maybe a lot of stories are anecdotal or unsubstantaiet. But when a promising career tails off without obvious reason, one thing that comes to mind is the demon drink.
> >
> > Could be any nationality of course, but I'm curious about some of the Russians. Artists like Rozhtestvensky, Gauk, Sofronitsky and others. I have absolutely no idea if these guys drank or didn't - they're just some names that should maybe have had more substantial international careers, and there could have been any number of reasons for that.
> Didn't Eleanor Steber have alcoholism problems?

(Upcoming radio program on Steber):

https://www.wfmt.com/2022/05/29/the-art-of-eleanor-steber

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Here is the story of Willy Ferrero, the Italian boy conductor who might have had a great career as an adult, but failed to do so because of alcoholism:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/Apr/Forgotten_artists_26_Ferrero.pdf

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