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* Bruce Liu PIT PC#2Dan Koren
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Re: Bruce Liu PIT PC#2

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 06:10 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:45:44 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:39:48 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> > > Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
> > >
> > Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.
>
> ... in your opinion, of course... Matsuev gets lots of very favorable reviews...

I don't care about other people's reviews,
and you shouldn't either. Use your own
ears and whatever stuffing there is in
between. If Matsuev makes you happy,
that's great for you!

dk

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Subject: Re: Bruce Liu PIT PC#2
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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 06:19 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:45:44 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:39:48 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> > > > Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
> > > >
> > > Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.
> >
> > ... in your opinion, of course... Matsuev gets lots of very favorable reviews...
> I don't care about other people's reviews,
> and you shouldn't either. Use your own
> ears and whatever stuffing there is in
> between. If Matsuev makes you happy,
> that's great for you!
>

Apparently he is one of Putin's bodyguards! ;-)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Vladimir_Putin_and_Denis_Matsuev_2018-06-27.jpg

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 06:26 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:19:29 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:45:44 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:39:48 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> > > > > Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
> > > > >
> > > > Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.
> > >
> > > ... in your opinion, of course... Matsuev gets lots of very favorable reviews...
> > I don't care about other people's reviews,
> > and you shouldn't either. Use your own
> > ears and whatever stuffing there is in
> > between. If Matsuev makes you happy,
> > that's great for you!
> >
> Apparently he is one of Putin's bodyguards! ;-)
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Vladimir_Putin_and_Denis_Matsuev_2018-06-27.jpg
>

Chops wise Matsuev is easily a match for
Plentnev or Zhukov. Musically he is not.

dk

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 by: Frank Berger - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 13:51 UTC

On 4/21/2022 1:45 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:39:48 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>>> Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
>>>
>> Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.
>>
>> dk
>
> ... in your opinion, of course...

Do you think that anyone thinks Dan was offering someone else's opinion? Does it matter if someone gives an opinion thinking he could be wrong or knowing he is right? Can you tell the difference? Is it necessary for the former to qualify his opinion with "IMHO," or maybe "I could be wrong..." What a waste of breath that would be.

Matsuev gets lots of very favorable reviews...

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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 07:49 UTC

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 6:51:30 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 1:45 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:39:48 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 11:54:00 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
> >>> Am I to assume that my own favorite is just crap?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBtjDKnDs8
> >>>
> >> Matsuev isn't "crap", however there are better ones.
> >>
> >> dk
> >
> > ... in your opinion, of course...
>
> Do you think that anyone thinks Dan was
> offering someone else's opinion? Does
> it matter if someone gives an opinion

I was obviously giving you all your opinions! ;-)

dk

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:54:00 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>
> He proves again that the Chopin Competition jury were correct. I’m a fan.

not impressed, technique lacks fluency, fuzzy sound and tone.

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 5:01:32 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren avait énoncé :
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw5pn2QXyGQ
>
> Barely acceptable...

not acceptable is more accurate:-)

AB

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:27:27 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> The original, of course !...
> I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...

hes, she is marvelous. the opening chords are so precise and balanced.

AB

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On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:27:27 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> > Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> > The original, of course !...
> > I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...
>
> Yes, she is marvelous. the opening
> chords are so precise and balanced.

Are you suggesting Zhukov's and Pletnev's
opening chords are less precise or balanced?

dk

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On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:54:48 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:27:27 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > > > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> > > The original, of course !...
> > > I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...
> >
> > Yes, she is marvelous. the opening
> > chords are so precise and balanced.
> Are you suggesting Zhukov's and Pletnev's
> opening chords are less precise or balanced?
>
> dk

heard P, he is a maniac, huge chops but nuts. did not hear Z.

AB

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On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:54:48 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:27:27 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > > > > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> > > > The original, of course !...
> > > > I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...
> > >
> > > Yes, she is marvelous. the opening
> > > chords are so precise and balanced.
> >
> > Are you suggesting Zhukov's and Pletnev's
> > opening chords are less precise or balanced?
>
> heard P, he is a maniac,

What does that mean ?!?

> huge chops but nuts.

Nuts are are healthy! ;)

> did not hear Z.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYY8uzOZLGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkHTzjCLxTw

Pick the one with better sound.

If memory serves, Byron Janis also recorded it. I
have no clear recollection how the performance
sounded.

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On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 4:45:15 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:54:48 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:27:27 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > > Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > > > > > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> > > > > The original, of course !...
> > > > > I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...
> > > >
> > > > Yes, she is marvelous. the opening
> > > > chords are so precise and balanced.
> > >
> > > Are you suggesting Zhukov's and Pletnev's
> > > opening chords are less precise or balanced?
> >
> > heard P, he is a maniac,
> What does that mean ?!?
>
listen to his last movt.. crazy tempo,

Nuts are are healthy! ;)
>
depends what kind of nuts:-)))

yes Z is very impressive, I must say. Heard him years ago, sounded like a 'banger' but this is nice.

AB

d.
>
> dk

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:33:42 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 6:24:45 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >
> > What do you think of Zhukov, Gilels, Cherkassky and Moiseiwitch?
> As far as commercial recordings go,
> Zhukov and Pletnev own the work.
> Gilels, meh.
>
> Cherkassky and Moseiwitsch, no.
>
> dk

dont know M. but Cherkassky plays beautifully

AB

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Subject: Re: Bruce Liu PIT PC#2
From: dan.ko...@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:07 UTC

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 4:45:15 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:54:48 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:27:27 AM UTC-4, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > > > Frank Berger avait écrit le 20/04/2022 :
> > > > > > > Do you prefer the original or Siloti version?
> > > > > > The original, of course !...
> > > > > > I always come back to Nicolayeva/Annosov...
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, she is marvelous. the opening
> > > > > chords are so precise and balanced.
> > > >
> > > > Are you suggesting Zhukov's and Pletnev's
> > > > opening chords are less precise or balanced?
> > >
> > > heard P, he is a maniac,
> > What does that mean ?!?
> >
> listen to his last movt.. crazy
> tempo, Nuts are are healthy! ;)
> >
> depends what kind of nuts:-)))
>
> yes Z is very impressive, I must say.
> Heard him years ago, sounded like
> a 'banger' but this is nice.

Zhukov had one of the roundest,
mellowest, deepest tones in the
business. Never sounded like a
banger!

dk

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