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On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
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> Does this describe Putin's mind?:
>
> - Men rise from one ambition to another:
> first, they seek to secure themselves
> against attack, and then they attack
> others.
>
> Niccolo Machiavelli

Sounds exactly like the modus
operandi of the quote bot.

dk

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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:11:49 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:11:35 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > We haven't heard much about the state of Putin's mind, apart from loose talk about him being "mad" whatever that means. We have comments from Macron that he seems to have changed recently and become more isolated from dialogue. We have had talk of him trying to emulate Peter the Great and his expansionistic outlook. He himself has stated he regards Ukraine as part of Russia. So my interpretation is that he has become a man in the grip of an obsession, or "idée fixe" - a preoccupation of mind firmly resistant to any attempt to modify it, a fixation. The victim of idée fixe is understood to be unaware of the unreality of their frame of mind. A person in the grip of this can think, reason and act like other people, but is unable to stop a particular train of thought or action.
> > >
> > > Examples of an idée fixe would be Don Quixote and Captain Ahab in Moby Dick. Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle writes in The return of Sherlock Holmes
> > > "There is the condition which the modern French psychologists have called the 'idée fixe', which may be trifling in character, and accompanied by complete sanity in every other way. A man might form such an idée fixe... and under its influence be capable of any fantastic outrage".
> > >
> > > Even the West has experienced this relatively recently. George Bush's counter-terrorism chief Richard A Clarke said of him:
> > > "Iraq was portrayed as the most dangerous thing in national security. It was an idée fixe, a rigid belief, received wisdom, a decision already made and one that no fact or event could derail". More sinister forms were Hitler's obsessions and Napoleon's obsession with imposing a neo-Roman political culture on Europe.
> > >
> > > Political leaders in the grip of an idée fixe do not last - they are deposed or defeated in war. I'm guessing that Putin doesn't have too long to go as the leader of Russia. I'd probably give him to the end of the year. I don't see his idée fixe leaving him. It is the people around him that will start leaving him. Those in the grip of an idée fixe should be aware of The First Law of Holes. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
> > NEW WORLDS TO CONQUER - isn't that what Putin''s preoccupied/obssessed with?
> And isn't that why the rest of Europe had better start worrying?

(Recent Y. upload):

Is Poland the next country in Vladimir Putin's sights? | 60 Minutes Australia

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 9:21:17 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
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> Is Poland the next country in Vladimir
> Putin's sights? | 60 Minutes Australia

Possibly, though one hears rumors he
is leaning to first nuke the quote bots!

dk

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:58:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6UiEXrVrvg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyni1VYT_hI

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:27:33 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:58:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyni1VYT_hI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDX5mu81hJ0

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:28:33 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:27:33 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:58:35 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6UiEXrVrvg
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyni1VYT_hI
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDX5mu81hJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrEV5z_szs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl_nWwx2B7w

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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 2:23:17 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl_nWwx2B7w

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18402754/russia-ukraine-invasion-threat-nuclear-world-war-putin/

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Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 12:25:47 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iV8J7h85mk&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia

In particular the English-speaking world can't seem to get enough of the war in Eastern Europe.

Henk

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 4:25:40 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 12:25:47 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iV8J7h85mk&ab_channel=60MinutesAustralia
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> In particular the English-speaking
> world can't seem to get enough
> of the war in Eastern Europe.

They don't speak English in Oz.

dk

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Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 14:31:02 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzja-LOqUd8

Finally someone who doesn't participate in the popular game Ain't it awful. He wonders what it will be like in 50 years.

Henk

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 10:59:07 AM UTC-4, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 14:31:02 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzja-LOqUd8
>
> Finally someone who doesn't participate in the popular game Ain't it awful. He wonders what it will be like in 50 years.
>
> Henk

Been following his YouTubes. He seems insightful, knowledgeable and authentic.

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:59:07 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 14:31:02 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzja-LOqUd8
>
> Finally someone who doesn't participate in
> the popular game Ain't it awful. He wonders
> what it will be like in 50 years.
>

Did you notice he is a musicologist? There are
plenty of political analysts who do not play the
"ain't it awful" game for instance Peter Zeihan,
Graham Allison, etc... Look them up.

dk

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:59:07 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 14:31:02 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzja-LOqUd8
>
> Finally someone who doesn't participate in the
> popular game Ain't it awful. He wonders what it
> will be like in 50 years.
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwU13-4SakE

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Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 21:28:30 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:59:07 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 14:31:02 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzja-LOqUd8
> >
> > Finally someone who doesn't participate in the
> > popular game Ain't it awful. He wonders what it
> > will be like in 50 years.
> >
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwU13-4SakE

Thanks. Vexler makes sense. I am curious to see what Zeihan and Allison have to offer.

Henk

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:43:57 PM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 21:28:30 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:59:07 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > > Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 14:31:02 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzja-LOqUd8
> > >
> > > Finally someone who doesn't participate in the
> > > popular game Ain't it awful. He wonders what it
> > > will be like in 50 years.
> > >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwU13-4SakE
>
> Thanks. Vexler makes sense. I am curious to
> see what Zeihan and Allison have to offer.

They offer their usual as usual. After living in
the "West" for several decades now, I came
to the conclusion Westerners cannot and
will never really understand Easterners
(Russia, Eastern Europe, China or South
East Asia).

Zeihan, Allison and most others miss the
different belief systems with aspects that
are irrational to Westerners. They analyze
history and situations on a rational level
that cannot capture the dimensions of a
different belief system. This is obvious
after listening to Vlad Vexler.

Among Western historians and analysts
only Stephen Kotkin and Timothy Snyder
appear to have half an understanding of
Russia, Ukraine and Eastern Europe,
which they have studied extensively.
Also Kevin Rudd for China and East
Asia.

dk

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 12:45:07 UTC+10, dan...gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 6:37:49 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU2r5HsdPLo
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcTgnM8Fas

If it isn't fascism, then what else could it possibly be? Not that far away from what Trump and his followers were threatening, and seeming to want, and were reaching for, and if some think that is an exaggeration then I really have no wish to engage them in their sophistry. But the facts will always remain.

Ray Hall, Taree

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