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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84

Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
she plays it more fluidly and more
playfully, and with more color. MA
and BG sound like firing machine
guns.

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 by: JohnGavin - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:54 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:19:48 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
>
> Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> she plays it more fluidly and more
> playfully, and with more color. MA
> and BG sound like firing machine
> guns.

Argerich, Grosvenor and Lim cause me to think “what brilliant virtuosity”!

But they don’t invoke the vital imagery of a Spanish Flamenco Dancer - repeated notes on a guitar.
True brilliance and tension are a combination of speed and clarity. Facile velocity can negate this effect.

That’s why I prefer this to the others.

https://youtu.be/koMPWEB0mkU

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 by: Graham - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:17 UTC

On 2022-04-30 7:19 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
>
> Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> she plays it more fluidly and more
> playfully, and with more color. MA
> and BG sound like firing machine
> guns.
Well he was 16 at the time and didn't have to worry about his hair
getting in the way:-)

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Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 19:17:36 UTC+2 schreef Graham:
> On 2022-04-30 7:19 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
> >
> > Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> > L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> > she plays it more fluidly and more
> > playfully, and with more color. MA
> > and BG sound like firing machine
> > guns.
> Well he was 16 at the time and didn't have to worry about his hair
> getting in the way:-)

A surprisingly well played live version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfreVK9Q4g

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 19:06 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 10:50:43 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 19:17:36 UTC+2 schreef Graham:
> > On 2022-04-30 7:19 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
> > >
> > > Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> > > L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> > > she plays it more fluidly and more
> > > playfully, and with more color. MA
> > > and BG sound like firing machine
> > > guns.
> >
> > Well he was 16 at the time and didn't
> > have to worry about his hair getting
> in the way:-)
>
> A surprisingly well played live version:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfreVK9Q4g
>

Why "surprisingly" ?!?

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 19:11 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 9:19:48 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
> >
> > Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> > L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> > she plays it more fluidly and more
> > playfully, and with more color. MA
> > and BG sound like firing machine
> > guns.
>
> Argerich, Grosvenor and Lim cause
> me to think “what brilliant virtuosity”!
>
> But they don’t invoke the vital imagery
> of a Spanish Flamenco Dancer -
> repeated notes on a guitar.

I don't see any reason to assume
a bunch of repeated notes depict
flamenco dancers rather than
anything else.

> True brilliance and tension are a
> combination of speed and clarity.

Not enough. I also want fluidity,
color and texture.

> Facile velocity can negate this effect.

"Facile" is in your ears. No need to be
judgmental.

> That’s why I prefer this to the others.
>
> https://youtu.be/koMPWEB0mkU

Sounds conventional.

dk

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 by: HT - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 19:54 UTC

Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 21:06:55 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 10:50:43 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op zaterdag 30 april 2022 om 19:17:36 UTC+2 schreef Graham:
> > > On 2022-04-30 7:19 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
> > > >
> > > > Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> > > > L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> > > > she plays it more fluidly and more
> > > > playfully, and with more color. MA
> > > > and BG sound like firing machine
> > > > guns.
> > >
> > > Well he was 16 at the time and didn't
> > > have to worry about his hair getting
> > in the way:-)
> >
> > A surprisingly well played live version:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfreVK9Q4g
> >
> Why "surprisingly" ?!?
>
> dk

A different approach to Scarlatti that turns out surprisingly well - and in a live performance at that.

Henk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sun, 1 May 2022 05:02 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 11:19:48 PM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84
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> Too stiff. The reason I prefer HJ's
> L.141 over Martha's or BG's is that
> she plays it more fluidly and more
> playfully, and with more color. MA
> and BG sound like firing machine
> guns.

K141 or Longo 422 or, for the elderly, Pincherle 271.

Andrew Clarke
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:02:44 PM UTC+10, Andrew Clarke wrote:

> K141 or Longo 422 or, for the elderly, Pincherle 271.

OK. Not Pincherle. Pestelli.

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:02:44 PM UTC+10, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>
> > K141 or Longo 422 or, for
> > the elderly, Pincherle 271.
>
> OK. Not Pincherle. Pestelli.

"K" sounds better! ;-)

dk

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On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:26:39 PM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:02:44 PM UTC+10, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > K141 or Longo 422 or, for
> > > the elderly, Pincherle 271.
> >
> > OK. Not Pincherle. Pestelli.
> "K" sounds better! ;-)
>

Too easily confused with Koechel K

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyG5vy6aVGA>

and Colonel K

<https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6l2y7h>

Andrew Clarke
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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:05:37 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9zHnJXp84

There are no "alternatives"
to HJ, or any other artists.
Each and every single one
of them is unique, all the
way from the top to the
bovine bottom.

dk

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