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Subject: SPHERE...
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 by: MELMOTH - Sun, 1 May 2022 23:04 UTC

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/097561-000-A/monk-pannonica-une-histoire-americaine/

A wonderful film about one of the greatest geniuses in the history of
music: *Thelonius Sphere MONK*...

What a lot of bullshit has been said about Jazz and Th *E* lonius (and
not The *O* lonius, as everyone pronounces it !)...
From this moron of Martial Solal, who affirmed that Sphere did not know
how to play the piano to this asshole of Messiaen who considered the
Jazz as non-music...

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 2 May 2022 09:12 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/097561-000-A/monk-pannonica-une-histoire-americaine/
>
> A wonderful film about one of the greatest geniuses in the history of
> music: *Thelonius Sphere MONK*...
>
> What a lot of bullshit has been said about Jazz and Th *E* lonius (and
> not The *O* lonius, as everyone pronounces it !)...
> From this moron of Martial Solal, who affirmed that Sphere did not know
> how to play the piano to this asshole of Messiaen who considered the
> Jazz as non-music...

This is the first time you say something that makes sense.
Yes, Martial Solal is indeed an asshole. And Messiaem is
a nut bird! ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaHpcKMZ1E4

dk

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 by: number_six - Mon, 2 May 2022 18:26 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/097561-000-A/monk-pannonica-une-histoire-americaine/
>
> A wonderful film about one of the greatest geniuses in the history of
> music: *Thelonius Sphere MONK

Having been given that middle name, perhaps 'ROUND Midnight was preordained...

A towering figure in 20th century music.

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 3 May 2022 08:20 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:26:13 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:

> Having been given that middle name, perhaps 'ROUND Midnight was preordained...
>
> A towering figure in 20th century music.

Cf <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YI3fUKNZrc>

Why was Martial Solal - a fine jazz pianist - so unappreciative? Did Rene Urtreger - also a fine jazz pianist - have an opinion.

I assume Messaien preferred Bird.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: number_six - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:08 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:20:31 AM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:26:13 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
>
> > Having been given that middle name, perhaps 'ROUND Midnight was preordained...
> >
> > A towering figure in 20th century music.
> Cf <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YI3fUKNZrc>
>
> Why was Martial Solal - a fine jazz pianist - so unappreciative? Did Rene Urtreger - also a fine jazz pianist - have an opinion.
>
> I assume Messaien preferred Bird.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra
i wish I had an answer but haven't, except perhaps to say that however much documentary material is available, no generation relives earlier times in the same density of detail as those times were originally experienced, and not every important artist appreciates the importance of others...
The video Melmoth linked was not available in my country, alas.

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:31 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:08:27 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:20:31 AM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:26:13 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> >
> > > Having been given that middle name, perhaps 'ROUND Midnight was preordained...
> > >
> > > A towering figure in 20th century music.
> > Cf <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YI3fUKNZrc>
> >
> > Why was Martial Solal - a fine jazz pianist - so unappreciative? Did Rene Urtreger - also a fine jazz pianist - have an opinion.
> >
> > I assume Messaien preferred Bird.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> i wish I had an answer but haven't, except perhaps to say that however much documentary material is available, no generation relives earlier times in the same density of detail as those times were originally experienced, and not every important artist appreciates the importance of others...
> The video Melmoth linked was not available in my country, alas.

Hope this is ...

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_g78VXusH4>

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:08:27 PM UTC-7, number_six wrote:
>
> The video Melmoth linked was
> not available in my country, alas.

VPN yourself to France. Safari,
Opera, and even Edge now
have built-in VPN.

dk

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 by: number_six - Wed, 4 May 2022 02:26 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:31:27 PM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:08:27 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:20:31 AM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:26:13 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> > >
> > > > Having been given that middle name, perhaps 'ROUND Midnight was preordained...
> > > >
> > > > A towering figure in 20th century music.
> > > Cf <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YI3fUKNZrc>
> > >
> > > Why was Martial Solal - a fine jazz pianist - so unappreciative? Did Rene Urtreger - also a fine jazz pianist - have an opinion.
> > >
> > > I assume Messaien preferred Bird.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> > i wish I had an answer but haven't, except perhaps to say that however much documentary material is available, no generation relives earlier times in the same density of detail as those times were originally experienced, and not every important artist appreciates the importance of others...
> > The video Melmoth linked was not available in my country, alas.
> Hope this is ...
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_g78VXusH4>
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Yep, I enjoyed both Jimmy Rushing videos...great stuff from the big fella.

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:35:13 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:08:27 PM UTC-7, number_six wrote:
> >
> > The video Melmoth linked was
> > not available in my country, alas.
> VPN yourself to France. Safari,
> Opera, and even Edge now
> have built-in VPN.
>
> dk
Thanks, will look into it...

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On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 12:29:09 UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:35:13 PM UTC-7, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:08:27 PM UTC-7, number_six wrote:
> > >
> > > The video Melmoth linked was
> > > not available in my country, alas.
> > VPN yourself to France. Safari,
> > Opera, and even Edge now
> > have built-in VPN.
> >
> > dk
> Thanks, will look into it...

Rushing has got paws on him like a grizzly bear, but his innate quality as a pianist and a musician shines through. I still say that Monk is a world apart from lesser mortals. I sit up when Monk plays, I find an excuse to do other things with Bill Evans (dry as chaff). C'est la vie !!

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:24:25 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
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> I find an excuse to do other things
> with Bill Evans (dry as chaff). C'est
> la vie !!

Bill Evans "dry" ?!?!?!?!? Never heard
this yet!

dk

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On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 04:24:25 UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
.. I sit up when Monk plays, I find an excuse to do other things with Bill Evans (dry as chaff). C'est la vie !!
> > Ray Hall, Taree

Yes, Monk is certainly percussive and harmonically arresting. I prefer his solo playing as a whole.

I listen much more to Bill Evans, though I confess I sometimes put it on to fall asleep to.

I don't like all Messiaen, but I do listen to La Nativite du Seigneur and 20 Regards.

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On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 14:18:32 UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:24:25 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I find an excuse to do other things
> > with Bill Evans (dry as chaff). C'est
> > la vie !!
> Bill Evans "dry" ?!?!?!?!? Never heard
> this yet!
>
> dk

I have a Verve collection of 5 Bill Evans albums, and find he over-intellectualises music, which came across as a frettingly worrisome experience, with little joy about it. Maybe the collection doesn't contain his best. Maybe I haven't listened to his best.

For me, Bud Powell, McCoy Tyner, Ahmad Jamal, and of course Monk, provide more for me, along with the early greats Morton and Waller, and others.

In truth my jazz collection is also heavily biased towards saxophone players, and everything by Miles Davis, of course.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 08:00:33 UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a Verve collection of 5 Bill Evans albums, and find he over-intellectualises music, which came across as a frettingly worrisome experience, with little joy about it. Maybe the collection doesn't contain his best. Maybe I haven't listened to his best.
>

The Evans albums I like best are with Eddie Gomez and Eliot Zigmund - You Must Believe in Spring, i Will Say Goodbye, Live in Switzerland

> For me, Bud Powell, McCoy Tyner, Ahmad Jamal, and of course Monk, provide more for me, along with the early greats Morton and Waller, and others.
>
Of those I listen to a lot of Ahmad Jamal, all eras from the first trio to his latest. McCoy only with Coltrane.

> In truth my jazz collection is also heavily biased towards saxophone players, and everything by Miles Davis, of course.
> > Ray Hall, Taree

Do you listen to Clifford Jordan? My favourite with Sonny Rollins. Try Glass Bead Games and Live at Ethels. I love his Lush Life, which he sings, and his line "A week in Baltimore would ease the bite of it..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHWC3vh8XPg

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 02:51:13 UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 08:00:33 UTC+1, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > I have a Verve collection of 5 Bill Evans albums, and find he over-intellectualises music, which came across as a frettingly worrisome experience, with little joy about it. Maybe the collection doesn't contain his best. Maybe I haven't listened to his best.
> >
> The Evans albums I like best are with Eddie Gomez and Eliot Zigmund - You Must Believe in Spring, i Will Say Goodbye, Live in Switzerland

I note the above. Maybe he loosens up more on these.

> > For me, Bud Powell, McCoy Tyner, Ahmad Jamal, and of course Monk, provide more for me, along with the early greats Morton and Waller, and others.
> >
> Of those I listen to a lot of Ahmad Jamal, all eras from the first trio to his latest. McCoy only with Coltrane.

I like Tyner because of his very unique harmony, and which is a feature of Coltrane's sound.

> Do you listen to Clifford Jordan? My favourite with Sonny Rollins. Try Glass Bead Games and Live at Ethels. I love his Lush Life, which he sings, and his line "A week in Baltimore would ease the bite of it..."

Thanks, will look out for him. One of my favourite sax players, along with Rollins of course, is Lee Konitz, super cool, and the album Motion (with Elvin Jones on drums) is what made me a fan. I bought this blind and am so glad I did.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 12:26:37 PM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:31:27 PM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:08:27 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:20:31 AM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:26:13 AM UTC+10, number_six wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Having been given that middle name, perhaps 'ROUND Midnight was preordained...
> > > > >
> > > > > A towering figure in 20th century music.
> > > > Cf <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YI3fUKNZrc>
> > > >
> > > > Why was Martial Solal - a fine jazz pianist - so unappreciative? Did Rene Urtreger - also a fine jazz pianist - have an opinion.
> > > >
> > > > I assume Messaien preferred Bird.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > Canberra
> > > i wish I had an answer but haven't, except perhaps to say that however much documentary material is available, no generation relives earlier times in the same density of detail as those times were originally experienced, and not every important artist appreciates the importance of others...
> > > The video Melmoth linked was not available in my country, alas.
> > Hope this is ...
> >
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_g78VXusH4>
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> Yep, I enjoyed both Jimmy Rushing videos...great stuff from the big fella..

To our great loss, Basie's guitarist, Freddie Green, did not live to see the HIP era. He could have been one of the great theorbists of all time.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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