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 by: Frank Berger - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:58 UTC

On 11/14/2021 11:16 AM, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 4:40:14 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 11/14/2021 9:55 AM, Herman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 9:45:11 AM UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as I've mentioned in similar threads here, people are very
>>>> actively goaded into overconsumption. This is quite substantial,
>>>> in terms of resources. And "quality of life" is not actually being
>>>> improved by overconsumption. Only profits.
>>>
>>> But what about the next 120 cd box of stuff we already have?
>>>
>> It's only other people whose over-consumption must be controlled.
>
> Frank, I do not harbour the slightest illusion I can "control" anything outside myself. None whatsoever.
>
> So re: the subject above: I do not ever buy cd boxes over 3 cds, also because I know I never listen to 'boxes' in their entirety. The past ten years I have rarely bought cds at all, because I already have quite a bunch. I have stopped buying into the 'holy grail' illusion of thinking there are such things as the ultimate recording of X, Y or Z. So I have bought a couple of new / contemporary music cds, and that's it.
>
> I buy books. But most of those are 2nd hand / antiquarian, just because I tend to find those more interesting. So I\d say I am controlling my consumption to a degree - but those matters are relative.
>

I have no right to judge your consumption, so I won't. But I will mention that the existence of a used book market supports the new book market. Simply put, people are willing to pay more for and buy more new books because they know they can sell them if they choose. So just buying used isn't anti-consumption.

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 by: Herman - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30 UTC

On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:58:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:

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> I have no right to judge your consumption, so I won't. But I will mention that the existence of a used book market supports the new book market. Simply put, people are willing to pay more for and buy more new books because they know they can sell them if they choose. So just buying used isn't anti-consumption.

I am aware of this. I seem to recall saying all these things are a matter of degree. If I buy, as I did some time ago, a 1959 Oxford copy of Caesar's De Bello Gallico somebody else will have to buy a fresh POD copy of the current iteration because I took this old copy off the market.

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 by: Todd M. McComb - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:01 UTC

In article <0b9fa821-0904-4499-838f-a1b983676cb9n@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>But what about the next 120 cd box of stuff we already have?

These are pushed on people with nowhere near the level of aggression
or sophistication as many products, at least.... Major corporations
have entire, well paid departments focusing on convincing people
to consume more. This is not some sort of fringe operation, and
it's effective (at ultimately making everyone's lives worse).

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/longtime-biden-friend-unsure-run-reelection

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On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:55:22 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 9:45:11 AM UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:
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> >
> > Yes, as I've mentioned in similar threads here, people are very
> > actively goaded into overconsumption. This is quite substantial,
> > in terms of resources. And "quality of life" is not actually being
> > improved by overconsumption. Only profits.
> But what about the next 120 cd box of stuff we already have?

Does that have anything to do with "...soulless materialism..."?:

https://countercurrents.org/2021/11/the-last-progressive-joe-biden-and-illusions-of-normalcy/

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/22/joe-biden-intends-to-run-again-2024-white-house

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/597791-biden-warns-democrats-it-will-be-a-sad-two-years-if-republicans-take

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

Pres. Pence?:

https://news.yahoo.com/pence-distances-himself-trump-eyes-041523932.html

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

Will inflation doom the Democrats?:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/inflation-dooms-dems-midterm-chances-so-they-should-pass-much-n1294445

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-esper-donald-trump-reelection-60-minutes-2022-05-08/

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-hopes-2024-run-take-focus-off-january-6-hearings-2022-7

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-trump-biden-2024-yougov-090012119.html

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-joe-biden-2024-election-60-minutes-2022-09-18/

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

Will Tulsi Gabbard's announcement that she is leaving the Democratic Party cost the Dems the White H. in 2024?

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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:41:28 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024
> Will Tulsi Gabbard's announcement that she is leaving the Democratic Party cost the Dems the White H. in 2024?

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-doesnt-run-again-204039667.html

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/03/donald-trump-rally-sioux-city-iowa-presidential-election-tease/8262931001/

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

(2022 Y. upload):

"Mike Pence considering running for president in 2024"

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/15/trump-news-trump-launches-2024-presidential-campaign-in-a-bid-to-seize-early-momentum.html

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On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:57:13 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024
> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/15/trump-news-trump-launches-2024-presidential-campaign-in-a-bid-to-seize-early-momentum.html

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-2024-presidential-campaign-210011858.html

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On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:57:13 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024
> > https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/15/trump-news-trump-launches-2024-presidential-campaign-in-a-bid-to-seize-early-momentum.html
> https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-2024-presidential-campaign-210011858.html

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-running-for-president-2024.html

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

Bolton:

https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-national-security-adviser-john-212551174.html

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

DeSantis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lorKymC8mxs

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/3-biggest-election-races-to-start-watching-ahead-of-2024

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On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:23:52 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024
> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/3-biggest-election-races-to-start-watching-ahead-of-2024

Haley:

https://news.yahoo.com/nikki-women-dont-care-contraception-151100984.html

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On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:32:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-rally-iowa-2022-2024

(2023 Y. upload):

"Trump or Desantis, Who Wins? - The 2024 Election Outlook"

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