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Re: Complete Wolf Lieder on Stone Records

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Subject: Re: Complete Wolf Lieder on Stone Records
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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > >
> > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > >
> > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > >
> > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > >
> > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).

In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.

On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.

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By the way, Claudio Colombo has released a recording of the Spanisches Liederbuch arranged for piano solo.

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > >
> > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
>
> On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.

I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:

https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > >
> > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> >
> > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
>
> https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound

But it is included in this:

https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/

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 by: number_six - Mon, 9 May 2022 19:31 UTC

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:01:28 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:40:10 AM UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > Have you heard Wilhelm Killmayer’s songs? I think he’s the link who connects Rihm to the earlier German romantic song tradition - searching for that link is what sent me back to Wolf.
> > >
> > Interesting -- not a link I'd have thought to look for, but then I know Rihm only from A-S Mutter's recording of Time Chant, and haven't heard Killmayer at all.
> >
> > Sometimes the existence of a body or a particle is inferred or expected from the behavior of another body or particle...but I would never have used that principle to look for a Killmayer between the romantics and Rihm!
> Rihm studied with Killmayer. Quite a few things by Rihm seem to be in Killmayer style, not just some of the lieder - the Verwandlung cycle. He wrote a symphony for Killmayer (which I haven’t heard yet.)
>
> I like some Killmayer very much - the chamber music, the quartet, especially.
>
> I don’t know Time Chant, but generally I should say that Rihm has many styles at his disposal. He can write neo- romantic music, he can write Webern-esque music, he can write brutal, Varèse inspired music, he can write in the style of the Stockhausen’s later music. There is no Rihm style, there are many.

I see a Killmayer work -- a mass -- is included in the Fromm Foundation box..

That's already in my queue, so I'll hear that at some point.

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 by: Mandryka - Mon, 9 May 2022 20:15 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:31:37 PM UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:01:28 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:40:10 AM UTC+1, number_six wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > Have you heard Wilhelm Killmayer’s songs? I think he’s the link who connects Rihm to the earlier German romantic song tradition - searching for that link is what sent me back to Wolf.
> > > >
> > > Interesting -- not a link I'd have thought to look for, but then I know Rihm only from A-S Mutter's recording of Time Chant, and haven't heard Killmayer at all.
> > >
> > > Sometimes the existence of a body or a particle is inferred or expected from the behavior of another body or particle...but I would never have used that principle to look for a Killmayer between the romantics and Rihm!
> > Rihm studied with Killmayer. Quite a few things by Rihm seem to be in Killmayer style, not just some of the lieder - the Verwandlung cycle. He wrote a symphony for Killmayer (which I haven’t heard yet.)
> >
> > I like some Killmayer very much - the chamber music, the quartet, especially.
> >
> > I don’t know Time Chant, but generally I should say that Rihm has many styles at his disposal. He can write neo- romantic music, he can write Webern-esque music, he can write brutal, Varèse inspired music, he can write in the style of the Stockhausen’s later music. There is no Rihm style, there are many.
> I see a Killmayer work -- a mass -- is included in the Fromm Foundation box.
>
> That's already in my queue, so I'll hear that at some point.

One thing that listening to Wolf and Killmayer and Rihm has done for me is help me appreciate Pregardien. Haven't head the mass.

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 by: gggg gggg - Tue, 10 May 2022 06:36 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:19:56 AM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > >
> > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
>
> To go to Heaven.
>
> Uh-uh.

According to this Gramophone review:

- ...High marks awarded to Rethberg's urgently eloquent Muhvoll komm' ich und beladen...

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/hugo-wolf-society-vol-1

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > >
> > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> >
> > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> But it is included in this:
>
> https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/

Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:

https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > >
> > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > >
> > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > But it is included in this:
> >
> > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
>
> https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
Here's the whole song

https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > But it is included in this:
> > >
> > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> >
> > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> Here's the whole song
>
> https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9

Thank you.

What did you think of it?

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > But it is included in this:
> > > >
> > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > >
> > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > Here's the whole song
> >
> > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> Thank you.
>
> What did you think of it?
That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.

Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > >
> > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > Here's the whole song
> > >
> > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > Thank you.
> >
> > What did you think of it?
> That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
>
> Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.

As I listen to it on my lp, I positively feel as if I am levitating.

I would have bought the Raucheisen big box but, if you can believe it, it contains no Wagner.

In the 1930's, Maria Muller and Tiana Lemnitz each recorded IM TREIBHAUS accompanied by Raucheisen . Because such a long lied had to fit onto one side of a 78, the tempo is a bit fast but their beautiful voices compensate for that. Both of those recordings are on Youtube. See if you like them.

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:44:56 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die..............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing.. It's here
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > > Here's the whole song
> > > >
> > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > What did you think of it?
> > That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
> >
> > Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.
> As I listen to it on my lp, I positively feel as if I am levitating.
>
> I would have bought the Raucheisen big box but, if you can believe it, it contains no Wagner.
>
> In the 1930's, Maria Muller and Tiana Lemnitz each recorded IM TREIBHAUS accompanied by Raucheisen . Because such a long lied had to fit onto one side of a 78, the tempo is a bit fast but their beautiful voices compensate for that. Both of those recordings are on Youtube. See if you like them.

Yes but as you say, too fast. I'll stick with Flagstad.

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On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:34:10 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:44:56 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die..............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > > > Here's the whole song
> > > > >
> > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > What did you think of it?
> > > That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.
> > As I listen to it on my lp, I positively feel as if I am levitating.
> >
> > I would have bought the Raucheisen big box but, if you can believe it, it contains no Wagner.
> >
> > In the 1930's, Maria Muller and Tiana Lemnitz each recorded IM TREIBHAUS accompanied by Raucheisen . Because such a long lied had to fit onto one side of a 78, the tempo is a bit fast but their beautiful voices compensate for that. Both of those recordings are on Youtube. See if you like them.
> Yes but as you say, too fast. I'll stick with Flagstad.

The following by Brahms sung by Muller can be heard on Youtube:

- Muss es eine Trennung geben
- Lerchengesang
- Der Tod, das ist die kühle Nacht
- Feldeinsamkeit

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > >
> > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > Here's the whole song
> > >
> > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > Thank you.
> >
> > What did you think of it?
> That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
>
> Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.

To hear VENUS MATER as orchesterlieder, search Youtube for:

"VENUS MATER" "CLARA EBERS"

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > But it is included in this:
> > >
> > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> >
> > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> Here's the whole song
>
> https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9

Thank you for that link.

I don't have a Spotify account, but I was wondering--do you have any feelings about Spotify?:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/i2SimXSf-ak

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On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:34:10 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:44:56 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die..............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > > > Here's the whole song
> > > > >
> > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > What did you think of it?
> > > That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.
> > As I listen to it on my lp, I positively feel as if I am levitating.
> >
> > I would have bought the Raucheisen big box but, if you can believe it, it contains no Wagner.
> >
> > In the 1930's, Maria Muller and Tiana Lemnitz each recorded IM TREIBHAUS accompanied by Raucheisen . Because such a long lied had to fit onto one side of a 78, the tempo is a bit fast but their beautiful voices compensate for that. Both of those recordings are on Youtube. See if you like them.
> Yes but as you say, too fast. I'll stick with Flagstad.

Didn't she record that more than once?

Do you recommend one over the others?

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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:36:17 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:34:10 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:44:56 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die..............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > > > > Here's the whole song
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > What did you think of it?
> > > > That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.
> > > As I listen to it on my lp, I positively feel as if I am levitating.
> > >
> > > I would have bought the Raucheisen big box but, if you can believe it, it contains no Wagner.
> > >
> > > In the 1930's, Maria Muller and Tiana Lemnitz each recorded IM TREIBHAUS accompanied by Raucheisen . Because such a long lied had to fit onto one side of a 78, the tempo is a bit fast but their beautiful voices compensate for that. Both of those recordings are on Youtube. See if you like them.
> > Yes but as you say, too fast. I'll stick with Flagstad.
> Didn't she record that more than once?
>
> Do you recommend one over the others?

I’m travelling so it’s hard to listen, but thanks for your encouragement and I should be back here within a few days.

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > >
> > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
>
> On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.

Leisner is included in this upcoming radio program:

https://www.wfmt.com/2022/06/19/rare-mahler-recordings

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > >
> > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > Here's the whole song
> > >
> > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > Thank you.
> >
> > What did you think of it?
> That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner. Love Margaret Mueller's claret velvet voice, and even more, I like the way she makes the poetry sound meaningful. Raucheisen seems to be inspired too, some very expressive piano playing there, especially at the end.
>
> Thanks for the prompt to listen to it, much appreciated.

The following book on Pfitzner's lieder may also be of interest:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-songs-of-hans-pfitzner-richard-mercier/1132780310?ean=9780313305337

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:36:17 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:19:56 AM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > >
> > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > >
> > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> >
> > To go to Heaven.
> >
> > Uh-uh.
> According to this Gramophone review:
>
> - ...High marks awarded to Rethberg's urgently eloquent Muhvoll komm' ich und beladen...
>
> https://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/hugo-wolf-society-vol-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0qTIrmqO84

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On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:37:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:36:17 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:19:56 AM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > >
> > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > >
> > > To go to Heaven.
> > >
> > > Uh-uh.
> > According to this Gramophone review:
> >
> > - ...High marks awarded to Rethberg's urgently eloquent Muhvoll komm' ich und beladen...
> >
> > https://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/hugo-wolf-society-vol-1
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0qTIrmqO84

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FExwtX5SY

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die...............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > >
> > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > Here's the whole song
> > >
> > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > Thank you.
> >
> > What did you think of it?
> That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner...

(Y. upload):

"Clara Ebers " Vier Lieder" Hans Pfitzner"

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On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:38:20 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die..............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing.. It's here
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > > Here's the whole song
> > > >
> > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > What did you think of it?
> > That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner...
>
> (Y. upload):
>
> "Clara Ebers " Vier Lieder" Hans Pfitzner"

Listening now, thanks, very moving music -- Wagner and Strauss vibes. I've been enjoying Dietschy's Debussy, by the way.

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On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:26:45 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 7:38:20 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:16:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:12:42 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:08:06 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:03:26 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:25:13 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:19:38 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 12:37:49 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 7:17:27 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:07:16 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:19:56 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:57:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve started exploring these recordings - I’ve heard and really enjoyed the Mörike lieder and just begun the Göthe songs. Obviously the voices are different - some more appealing than others. But the quality of the music is fabulous and, even when I don’t much care for the singers, I’m grateful to the series for helping me discover more of this music.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wondered if anyone else knows the series, and whether anyone has any views on the high points.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those into historical singers, the following may be of interest:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://archive.org/details/hugowolfsociety10000unse
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you listen to Rethberg's "MÜH’VOLL KOMM’ ICH UND BELADEN", you'll realize that you don't have to die..............................................
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To go to Heaven.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh-uh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To hear that lied accompanied by orchestra, search Youtube for the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugo Wolf, Spanisches Liederbuch n. 7. “Mühvoll komm ich und beladen”- Orchestrazione Michele Trenti
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Rethberg Muhvoll Komm' Ich Und Beladen is amazing. It's here
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/4uGB2HXSsg6opxAd1ESnSi?si=f284163704924655
> > > > > > > > > > > I think that she was the first to record that lied.
> > > > > > > > > > Now that I think of it, her recording was such a towering achievement that no one recorded that lied again until well into the postwar era (Seefried?).
> > > > > > > > > In the complete Wolf on Stone records they give the song to a tenor, I don’t have the booklet so I can’t say why.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Spotify I can see early recordings by Emmi Leisner (with Raucheisen), and a rather nice one from Elizabeth Rethberg.
> > > > > > > > I would have thought that Leisner's recording would have been included in the following:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.discogs.com/release/12541330-Hugo-Wolf-Raucheisen-Lieder-In-Dokumentarischen-Aufnahmen-A-Chronicle-In-Sound
> > > > > > > But it is included in this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://boxset.me/michael-raucheisen-man-at-the-piano-66-cd-box-set-ape/
> > > > > > Concerning that box set, it also includes Maria Muller's recording of Pfitzner's VENUS MATER. To hear a sample of the beginning:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://s.awa.fm/track/17ebb05ae50548b71703
> > > > > Here's the whole song
> > > > >
> > > > > https://open.spotify.com/track/3AClUT7PFOfmbSKb2fL8Gp?si=3e255a295fd043f9
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > What did you think of it?
> > > That's the first time I've listened to songs by Pfitzner...
> >
> > (Y. upload):
> >
> > "Clara Ebers " Vier Lieder" Hans Pfitzner"
> Listening now, thanks, very moving music -- Wagner and Strauss vibes. I've been enjoying Dietschy's Debussy, by the way.

(Y. upload):

"Pfitzner: 5 Lieder, Op. 9 - 5. Abschied"

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