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* Nasty Classical Music PostersRicardo Jimenez
+* Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersOwen
|+- Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersDan Koren
|`* Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersJohnGavin
| `- Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersFymido Lenito
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+* Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersAndrew Clarke
|`* Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersDan Koren
| `* Re: Nasty Classical Music PostersOscar
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 by: Ricardo Jimenez - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:09 UTC

https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/

I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
noticeable exception.

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 by: Owen - Fri, 13 May 2022 16:31 UTC

On 5/13/22 11:09 AM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
>
> I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
> noticeable exception.

Compared to the past, RMCR is greatly improved. I note that most
discussions, even those with strongly held beliefs, do not usually
attack individuals posting here, but are mostly opinions of performances
and performers, and music.

-Owen

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 14 May 2022 01:01 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 9:32:07 AM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> On 5/13/22 11:09 AM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> > https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
> >
> > I don't think that RMCR has the same problem
> > as Slipped Disc, with one noticeable exception.
>
> Compared to the past, RMCR is greatly
> improved. I note that most discussions,
> even those with strongly held beliefs, do
> not usually attack individuals posting here,
> but are mostly opinions of performances
> and performers, and music.
>

Wait ..... I can remove my gloves! ;-)

dk

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 by: JohnGavin - Sat, 14 May 2022 08:24 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:32:07 PM UTC-4, Owen wrote:
> On 5/13/22 11:09 AM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> > https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
> >
> > I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
> > noticeable exception.
> Compared to the past, RMCR is greatly improved. I note that most
> discussions, even those with strongly held beliefs, do not usually
> attack individuals posting here, but are mostly opinions of performances
> and performers, and music.
>
> -Owen

Your positive view of things are admirable, but I think some of the negativity has had invisible consequences. Over the years, valuable contributors have quietly disappeared. When you read threads from the past you can’t help but notice that the average discourse used to be more substantial with greater depth. But, as they say in Zen, it is as it is.

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sat, 14 May 2022 08:48 UTC

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 1:09:25 AM UTC+10, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
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> I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
> noticeable exception.

Sadly, comments in online publications seem to have replaced Usenet groups as places for crackpots to vent their spleen. Meanwhile, the main battles here seems to concern the validity of HIP recordings. I'm afraid that as far as I am concerned the strife is o'er, the battle won. Not because I am dogmatic about fortepianos, but because I'm interested in different ways of performing music. My introduction to Beethoven was the Seventh with Klemperer and the Philharmonia, which I still have and which I still revere, but I'm more likely to listen to it played by Anima Eterna or Tafelmusik.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 1:09:25 AM UTC+10, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
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> I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
> noticeable exception.

There was of course the question of whether performing classical music is culturally an extension of the Slave Trade, and I find it interesting that a Californian early ensemble includes the following on its website:

"BLACK LIVES MATTER
Voices of Music stands with Black Lives Matter, and we believe in the right to protest against racial injustice.
Moving forward, we are committed to including people of color in every part of our organization. Racism is systemic in the arts; we will work to change this, and we will join with those who advocate for change."

The accompanying illustrations do not illustrate a single black face in the orchestra, although one of their You Tube videos does show one black woman in their choir.

<https://voicesofmusic.org/>

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 1:57:55 AM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Moving forward, we are committed to including
> people of color in every part of our organization.
> Racism is systemic in the arts; we will work to
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> advocate for change."
>

I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
people just cannot understand Parsifal!

dk

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
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> I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> people just cannot understand Parsifal!

But they do understand Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!

-dependable deplorable

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:53:14 AM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
> >
> > I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> > by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> > people just cannot understand Parsifal!
>
> But they do understand
> Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!
>
> -dependable deplorable

Bruckner does not rock.
He crawls. You need to
get new years and a new
ADC/DAC in between.

Here's some real music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A

Forget Bruckner.

dk

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:53:14 AM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
> >
> > I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> > by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> > people just cannot understand Parsifal!
>
> But they do understand
> Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!
>
> -dependable deplorable

Bruckner does not rock.
He crawls. You need to
get new ears and a new
ADC/DAC in between.

Here's some real music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A

Forget Bruckner.

dk

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 1:24:36 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:32:07 PM UTC-4, Owen wrote:
> > On 5/13/22 11:09 AM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> > > https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
> > >
> > > I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
> > > noticeable exception.
> > Compared to the past, RMCR is greatly improved. I note that most
> > discussions, even those with strongly held beliefs, do not usually
> > attack individuals posting here, but are mostly opinions of performances
> > and performers, and music.
> >
> > -Owen
> Your positive view of things are admirable, but I think some of the negativity has had invisible consequences. Over the years, valuable contributors have quietly disappeared. When you read threads from the past you can’t help but notice that the average discourse used to be more substantial with greater depth. But, as they say in Zen, it is as it is.

Bingo.

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Op zondag 15 mei 2022 om 22:14:20 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:53:14 AM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
> > >
> > > I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> > > by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> > > people just cannot understand Parsifal!
> >
> > But they do understand
> > Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!
> >
> > -dependable deplorable
> Bruckner does not rock.
> He crawls. You need to
> get new ears and a new
> ADC/DAC in between.
>
> Here's some real music:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A
>
> Forget Bruckner.
>
> dk

Peterson is no antidota to Bruckner. His jazz is as decadent as Bruckner and Mahler's classical music.

I prefer listening to Fats Waller - and earlier jazz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIFoAwJPtm4

Henk

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:20:03 PM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zondag 15 mei 2022 om 22:14:20 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:53:14 AM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> > > > by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> > > > people just cannot understand Parsifal!
> > >
> > > But they do understand
> > > Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!
> > >
> > > -dependable deplorable
> > Bruckner does not rock.
> > He crawls. You need to
> > get new ears and a new
> > ADC/DAC in between.
> >
> > Here's some real music:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A
> >
> > Forget Bruckner.
>
> Peterson is no antidota to Bruckner.
> His jazz is as decadent as Bruckner
> and Mahler's classical music.

Except it doesn't take hours. Small
bites of decadence are just fine!

> I prefer listening to Fats Waller - and earlier jazz:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIFoAwJPtm4

ANY music is better than Bruckner! ;-)

dk

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:14:20 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:53:14 AM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
> > >
> > > I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> > > by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> > > people just cannot understand Parsifal!
> >
> > But they do understand
> > Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!
> >
> > -dependable deplorable
> Bruckner does not rock.
> He crawls. You need to
> get new ears and a new
> ADC/DAC in between.
>
> Here's some real music:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A
>
> Forget Bruckner.
>
> dk

For a moment, I read that as "You need to get new ears and a new AC/DC." Guess taking the "Highway to Hell" leads one straight to Bruckner. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo

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 by: Néstor Castiglione - Mon, 16 May 2022 18:44 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:09:25 AM UTC-7, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> https://slippedisc.com/2022/05/why-are-classical-commenters-so-implacably-bitter/
>
> I don't think that RMCR has the same problem as Slipped Disc, with one
> noticeable exception.

It's interesting, though, that Raimi believes that classical music is "a way to make people better human beings." Has he ever done a cursory internet search of his orchestra's top donors? Personally, I don't care who they support politically or how they (or their ancestors) made their money, but considering Raimi's utilitarian belief that classical music is a kind of spiritual castor oil for do-gooders, I do find his statement funny.

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Subject: Re: Nasty Classical Music Posters
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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 16 May 2022 20:13 UTC

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 11:26:06 AM UTC-7, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:14:20 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > Here's some real music:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A
> >
> > Forget Bruckner.
>
> For a moment, I read that as "You need to get new
> ears and a new AC/DC." Guess taking the "Highway
> to Hell" leads one straight to Bruckner. ;)

Nope. Doesn't lead anywhere:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx3bvibmr2adilv/Stairway%20to%20Heaven%20.jpg?dl=0

dk

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Tue, 17 May 2022 00:22 UTC

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 04:26:06 UTC+10, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:14:20 PM UTC-7, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:53:14 AM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 5:04:42 AM, deejay wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would love to hear Wagner's operas performed
> > > > by all non-white casts and orchestras. White
> > > > people just cannot understand Parsifal!
> > >
> > > But they do understand
> > > Bruckner. And he ROCKS!!
> > >
> > > -dependable deplorable
> > Bruckner does not rock.
> > He crawls. You need to
> > get new ears and a new
> > ADC/DAC in between.
> >
> > Here's some real music:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A
> >
> > Forget Bruckner.
> >
> > dk
> For a moment, I read that as "You need to get new ears and a new AC/DC." Guess taking the "Highway to Hell" leads one straight to Bruckner. ;)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo

Jail Break is my favourite AC/DC number, with Bon Scott. A visceral band if ever there was.
If only Anton had possessed Angus Young he could have gone a lot further.

Ray Hall, Taree

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