On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:18:10 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:23:17 PM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:36:48 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:06:31 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
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> > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
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> > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
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> > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
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> > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
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> > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
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> > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
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> > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
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> > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
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> > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
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> > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
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> > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
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> > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
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> > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
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> > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
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> > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
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> > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
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> > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
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> > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open.. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
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> > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited..'
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> > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
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> > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
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> > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III..3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it..
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> > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
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> > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
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> > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
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> > '...Back In China..'
> This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
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> Dame par force de frayeur honoree
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> Lady by force of terror honored
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> The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:28:01 PM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:18:10 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:23:17 PM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:36:48 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:06:31 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
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> > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
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> > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
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> > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
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> > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
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> > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
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> > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
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> > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
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> > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
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> > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > Time'
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> > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
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> > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
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> > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
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> > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
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> > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
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> > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
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> > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
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> > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
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> > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
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> > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
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> > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
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> > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
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> > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > *
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> > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
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> > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
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> > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
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> > > <Bell>
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> > > 'Written -'
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> > > <Bell>
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> > > '...Back In China..'
> > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
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> > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> >
> > Lady by force of terror honored
> >
> > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
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> https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
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> I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
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> Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
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> It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
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> Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
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> There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
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> His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
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> The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
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> In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
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> Victor puine en Armonique terre
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> Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
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> The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
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> The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.

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> > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:23:17 PM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:36:48 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:06:31 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe....@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
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> > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
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> > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
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> > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing..
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> > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
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> > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
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> > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
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> > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
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> > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
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> > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
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> > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
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> > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
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> > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
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> > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
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> > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
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> > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
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> > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
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> > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
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> > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
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> > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra.. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
> > > >
> > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
> > > >
> > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
> > > >
> > > > <Bell>
> > > >
> > > > 'Written -'
> > > >
> > > > <Bell>
> > > >
> > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
> > >
> > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> > >
> > > Lady by force of terror honored
> > >
> > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
> >
> > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
> >
> > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
> >
> > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
> >
> > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
> >
> > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
> >
> > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
> >
> > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
> >
> > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
> >
> > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
> >
> > Victor puine en Armonique terre
> >
> > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
> >
> > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
> >
> > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
>
> The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.

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> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:18:10 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:23:17 PM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:36:48 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:06:31 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, eagali....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe....@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI..70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
> > > > >
> > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
> > > > >
> > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
> > > > >
> > > > > <Bell>
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Written -'
> > > > >
> > > > > <Bell>
> > > > >
> > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
> > > >
> > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> > > >
> > > > Lady by force of terror honored
> > > >
> > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
> > >
> > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
> > >
> > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
> > >
> > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
> > >
> > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
> > >
> > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
> > >
> > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
> > >
> > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
> > >
> > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
> > >
> > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
> > >
> > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
> > >
> > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
> > >
> > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
> > >
> > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
> >
> > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
>
> The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
>
> So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
>
> Par Saturnins endurera le pire
>
> By Saturnins the worst will be endured
>
> [V.24]
>
> Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
>
> The Saturnins burned by the millers
>
> [VI.17]
>
> So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
>
> A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
>
> Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
>
> Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
>
> The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
>
> As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
>
> The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
>
> So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
>
> The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close.. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet).. Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King)..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I..52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI..70 >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Written -'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
> > > > >
> > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> > > > >
> > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
> > > > >
> > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
> > > >
> > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
> > > >
> > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
> > > >
> > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
> > > >
> > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
> > > >
> > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
> > > >
> > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
> > > >
> > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
> > > >
> > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
> > > >
> > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
> > > >
> > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
> > > >
> > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
> > > >
> > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
> > > >
> > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
> > >
> > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
> >
> > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
> >
> > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
> >
> > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
> >
> > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
> >
> > [V.24]
> >
> > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
> >
> > The Saturnins burned by the millers
> >
> > [VI.17]
> >
> > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
> >
> > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
> >
> > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
> >
> > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
> >
> > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
> >
> > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
> >
> > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
> >
> > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
> >
> > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
>
> In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
>
> In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
>
> In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
>
> In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
>
> In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
>
> The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
>
> The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
>
> Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements..
>
> Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
>
> When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.
>
> When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
>
> A different story emerges.
>
> Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
>
> The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
>
> When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
>
> The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
>
> Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
>
> Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
>
> The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
>
> The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.

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> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:06:31 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
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> > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
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> > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
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> > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
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> > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'Written -'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
> > > > >
> > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
> > > > >
> > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
> > > > >
> > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
> > > > >
> > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
> > > > >
> > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
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> > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
> > > > >
> > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
> > > >
> > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
> > >
> > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
> > >
> > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
> > >
> > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
> > >
> > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
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> > > [V.24]
> > >
> > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
> > >
> > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
> > >
> > > [VI.17]
> > >
> > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
> > >
> > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
> > >
> > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
> > >
> > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
> > >
> > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
> > >
> > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
> > >
> > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
> > >
> > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
> > >
> > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
> >
> > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
> >
> > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
> >
> > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
> >
> > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
> >
> > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
> >
> > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
> >
> > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
> >
> > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
> >
> > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
> >
> > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees..
> >
> > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
> >
> > A different story emerges.
> >
> > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
> >
> > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
> >
> > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
> >
> > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
> >
> > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
> >
> > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
> >
> > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
> >
> > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
>
> The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
>
> The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
>
> My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
>
> The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.
>
> Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
>
> The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans.. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification.. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X..79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 'Written -'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
> > > >
> > > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
> > > >
> > > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
> > > >
> > > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
> > > >
> > > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
> > > >
> > > > [V.24]
> > > >
> > > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
> > > >
> > > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
> > > >
> > > > [VI.17]
> > > >
> > > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
> > > >
> > > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
> > > >
> > > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
> > > >
> > > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
> > > >
> > > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
> > > >
> > > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
> > > >
> > > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
> > > >
> > > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
> > > >
> > > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
> > >
> > > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
> > >
> > > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
> > >
> > > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
> > >
> > > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
> > >
> > > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
> > >
> > > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
> > >
> > > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
> > >
> > > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
> > >
> > > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
> > >
> > > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.
> > >
> > > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
> > >
> > > A different story emerges.
> > >
> > > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
> > >
> > > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
> > >
> > > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
> > >
> > > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
> > >
> > > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
> > >
> > > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
> > >
> > > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
> > >
> > > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> > The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
> >
> > The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
> >
> > The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
> >
> > My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
> >
> > The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary..
> >
> > Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> > Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> > Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> > Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
> >
> > The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> > Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> > The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> > The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
> The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.
>
> The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).
>
> Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.
>
> Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18 minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.
>
> So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.
>
> Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.
>
> It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included.. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 'Written -'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <Bell>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
> > > > >
> > > > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
> > > > >
> > > > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
> > > > >
> > > > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
> > > > >
> > > > > [V.24]
> > > > >
> > > > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
> > > > >
> > > > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
> > > > >
> > > > > [VI.17]
> > > > >
> > > > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
> > > > >
> > > > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
> > > > >
> > > > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
> > > > >
> > > > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
> > > > >
> > > > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
> > > > >
> > > > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > > > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
> > > >
> > > > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
> > > >
> > > > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
> > > >
> > > > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
> > > >
> > > > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
> > > >
> > > > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
> > > >
> > > > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
> > > >
> > > > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
> > > >
> > > > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
> > > >
> > > > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
> > > >
> > > > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.
> > > >
> > > > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
> > > >
> > > > A different story emerges.
> > > >
> > > > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
> > > >
> > > > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
> > > >
> > > > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
> > > >
> > > > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
> > > >
> > > > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
> > > >
> > > > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
> > > >
> > > > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
> > > >
> > > > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> > > The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
> > >
> > > The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
> > >
> > > The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
> > >
> > > My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
> > >
> > > The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.
> > >
> > > Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> > > Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> > > Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> > > Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
> > >
> > > The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> > > Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> > > The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> > > The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
> > The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.
> >
> > The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).
> >
> > Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.
> >
> > Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18 minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.
> >
> > So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.
> >
> > Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.
> >
> > It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
> Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.
>
> Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.
>
> The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.
>
> A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.
>
> In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.
>
> Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.
>
> The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.
>
> II.92
>
> Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
> Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
> Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
> Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped
>
> The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.
>
> III.13
>
> By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
> Of the two captives one will consume the other
> For the city the greatest extension
> When submerged the fleet will swim
>
> Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -
>
> IV.38
>
> Before the assault one will eat the other
> Melted metal will follow the trail of blood
>
> Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -
>
> IV.41
>
> Gymnique sexe captive par otage
> Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir
>
> Female athlete held captive as hostage
> Custodians will come to be deceived by night
>
> So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > > > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > > > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > > > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
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> > > > > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
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> > > > > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
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> > > > > > > > > > 'Written -'
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> > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
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> > > > > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
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> > > > > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
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> > > > > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
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> > > > > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
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> > > > > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
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> > > > > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
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> > > > > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
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> > > > > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
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> > > > > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
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> > > > > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
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> > > > > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
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> > > > > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
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> > > > > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
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> > > > > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
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> > > > > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
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> > > > > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > > > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [V.24]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [VI.17]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > > > > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
> > > > >
> > > > > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
> > > > >
> > > > > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
> > > > >
> > > > > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
> > > > >
> > > > > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
> > > > >
> > > > > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
> > > > >
> > > > > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
> > > > >
> > > > > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
> > > > >
> > > > > A different story emerges.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
> > > > >
> > > > > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
> > > > >
> > > > > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> > > > The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
> > > >
> > > > The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
> > > >
> > > > The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
> > > >
> > > > My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
> > > >
> > > > The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.
> > > >
> > > > Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> > > > Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> > > > Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> > > > Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
> > > >
> > > > The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> > > > Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> > > > The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> > > > The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
> > > The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.
> > >
> > > The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).
> > >
> > > Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.
> > >
> > > Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18 minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.
> > >
> > > So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.
> > >
> > > Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.
> > >
> > > It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
> > Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.
> >
> > Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.
> >
> > The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.
> >
> > A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.
> >
> > In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.
> >
> > Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.
> >
> > The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.
> >
> > II.92
> >
> > Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
> > Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
> > Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
> > Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped
> >
> > The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.
> >
> > III.13
> >
> > By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
> > Of the two captives one will consume the other
> > For the city the greatest extension
> > When submerged the fleet will swim
> >
> > Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -
> >
> > IV.38
> >
> > Before the assault one will eat the other
> > Melted metal will follow the trail of blood
> >
> > Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -
> >
> > IV.41
> >
> > Gymnique sexe captive par otage
> > Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir
> >
> > Female athlete held captive as hostage
> > Custodians will come to be deceived by night
> >
> > So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
> Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.
>
> When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.
>
> Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.
>
> An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration.. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > > > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven..
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > > > > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
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> > > > > > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
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> > > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > > 'Written -'
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> > > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
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> > > > > > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
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> > > > > > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
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> > > > > > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
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> > > > > > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
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> > > > > > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
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> > > > > > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
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> > > > > > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
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> > > > > > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
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> > > > > > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
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> > > > > > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
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> > > > > > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
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> > > > > > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
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> > > > > > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
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> > > > > > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
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> > > > > > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
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> > > > > > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > > > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
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> > > > > > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > > > > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
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> > > > > > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
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> > > > > > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
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> > > > > > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
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> > > > > > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
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> > > > > > > [V.24]
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> > > > > > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
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> > > > > > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
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> > > > > > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
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> > > > > > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
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> > > > > > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
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> > > > > > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
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> > > > > > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
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> > > > > > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
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> > > > > > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
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> > > > > > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > > > > > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
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> > > > > > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
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> > > > > > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
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> > > > > > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A different story emerges.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> > > > > The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
> > > > >
> > > > > My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> > > > > Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> > > > > Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> > > > > Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
> > > > >
> > > > > The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> > > > > Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> > > > > The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> > > > > The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
> > > > The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.
> > > >
> > > > The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).
> > > >
> > > > Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.
> > > >
> > > > Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18 minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.
> > > >
> > > > So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.
> > > >
> > > > Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.
> > > >
> > > > It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
> > > Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.
> > >
> > > Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.
> > >
> > > The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.
> > >
> > > A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.
> > >
> > > In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.
> > >
> > > Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.
> > >
> > > The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.
> > >
> > > II.92
> > >
> > > Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
> > > Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
> > > Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
> > > Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped
> > >
> > > The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.
> > >
> > > III.13
> > >
> > > By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
> > > Of the two captives one will consume the other
> > > For the city the greatest extension
> > > When submerged the fleet will swim
> > >
> > > Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -
> > >
> > > IV.38
> > >
> > > Before the assault one will eat the other
> > > Melted metal will follow the trail of blood
> > >
> > > Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -
> > >
> > > IV.41
> > >
> > > Gymnique sexe captive par otage
> > > Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir
> > >
> > > Female athlete held captive as hostage
> > > Custodians will come to be deceived by night
> > >
> > > So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
> > Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.
> >
> > When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.
> >
> > Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.
> >
> > An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
> Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances..
>
> The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.
>
> Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.
>
> The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.
>
> Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).
>
> The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.
>
> Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:25 pm PST].
>
> The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.
>
> And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration.. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > > > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven..
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > > > > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
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> > > > > > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
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> > > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > > 'Written -'
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> > > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
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> > > > > > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
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> > > > > > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
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> > > > > > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
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> > > > > > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
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> > > > > > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
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> > > > > > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
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> > > > > > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
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> > > > > > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
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> > > > > > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
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> > > > > > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
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> > > > > > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
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> > > > > > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
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> > > > > > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
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> > > > > > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
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> > > > > > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
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> > > > > > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > > > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
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> > > > > > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > > > > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
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> > > > > > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
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> > > > > > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
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> > > > > > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
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> > > > > > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
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> > > > > > > [V.24]
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> > > > > > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
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> > > > > > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
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> > > > > > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
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> > > > > > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
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> > > > > > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
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> > > > > > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
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> > > > > > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
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> > > > > > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
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> > > > > > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
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> > > > > > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > > > > > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
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> > > > > > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
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> > > > > > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
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> > > > > > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
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> > > > > > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
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> > > > > > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
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> > > > > > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A different story emerges.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> > > > > The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
> > > > >
> > > > > My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> > > > > Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> > > > > Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> > > > > Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
> > > > >
> > > > > The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> > > > > Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> > > > > The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> > > > > The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
> > > > The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.
> > > >
> > > > The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).
> > > >
> > > > Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.
> > > >
> > > > Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18 minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.
> > > >
> > > > So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.
> > > >
> > > > Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.
> > > >
> > > > It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
> > > Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.
> > >
> > > Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.
> > >
> > > The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.
> > >
> > > A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.
> > >
> > > In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.
> > >
> > > Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.
> > >
> > > The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.
> > >
> > > II.92
> > >
> > > Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
> > > Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
> > > Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
> > > Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped
> > >
> > > The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.
> > >
> > > III.13
> > >
> > > By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
> > > Of the two captives one will consume the other
> > > For the city the greatest extension
> > > When submerged the fleet will swim
> > >
> > > Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -
> > >
> > > IV.38
> > >
> > > Before the assault one will eat the other
> > > Melted metal will follow the trail of blood
> > >
> > > Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -
> > >
> > > IV.41
> > >
> > > Gymnique sexe captive par otage
> > > Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir
> > >
> > > Female athlete held captive as hostage
> > > Custodians will come to be deceived by night
> > >
> > > So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
> > Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.
> >
> > When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.
> >
> > Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.
> >
> > An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
> Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances..
>
> The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.
>
> Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.
>
> The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.
>
> Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).
>
> The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.
>
> Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:25 pm PST].
>
> The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.
>
> And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native people would like to return home.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The destruction will not be very great;
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if He arrives from the West,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For He will be merciless.'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is next, nearly an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the 'Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967. While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > 'Written -'
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> > > > > > > > > > > > <Bell>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > '...Back In China..'
> > > > > > > > > > > This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -
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> > > > > > > > > > > Dame par force de frayeur honoree
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> > > > > > > > > > > Lady by force of terror honored
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> > > > > > > > > > > The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
> > > > > > > > > > One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.
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> > > > > > > > > > https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/
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> > > > > > > > > > I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.
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> > > > > > > > > > Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.
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> > > > > > > > > > It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --
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> > > > > > > > > > Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe
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> > > > > > > > > > There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.
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> > > > > > > > > > His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice
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> > > > > > > > > > The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.
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> > > > > > > > > > In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.
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> > > > > > > > > > Victor puine en Armonique terre
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> > > > > > > > > > Victor, cadet into Brittany territory
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> > > > > > > > > > The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.
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> > > > > > > > > > The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
> > > > > > > > > A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.
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> > > > > > > > > The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
> > > > > > > > If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.
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> > > > > > > > The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.
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> > > > > > > > So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.
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> > > > > > > > Par Saturnins endurera le pire
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> > > > > > > > By Saturnins the worst will be endured
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> > > > > > > > Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers
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> > > > > > > > The Saturnins burned by the millers
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> > > > > > > > So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.
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> > > > > > > > A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.
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> > > > > > > > Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.
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> > > > > > > > Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.
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> > > > > > > > The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.
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> > > > > > > > As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.
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> > > > > > > > The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.
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> > > > > > > > So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.
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> > > > > > > > The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
> > > > > > > There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.
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> > > > > > > In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a necessary date to reach.
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> > > > > > > In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.
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> > > > > > > In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).
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> > > > > > > In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.
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> > > > > > > In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.
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> > > > > > > The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).
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> > > > > > > The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
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> > > > > > > Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.
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> > > > > > > Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine). This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.
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> > > > > > > When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17..5 degrees.
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> > > > > > > When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.
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> > > > > > > A different story emerges.
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> > > > > > > Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).
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> > > > > > > The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.
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> > > > > > > When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.
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> > > > > > > The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.
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> > > > > > > Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.
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> > > > > > > Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.
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> > > > > > > The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.
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> > > > > > > The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
> > > > > > The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.
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> > > > > > The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.
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> > > > > > The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.
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> > > > > > My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem properly assessed.
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> > > > > > The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.
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> > > > > > Par grand discord la terre tremblera
> > > > > > Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
> > > > > > Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
> > > > > > Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel
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> > > > > > The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord -
> > > > > > Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting -
> > > > > > The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
> > > > > > The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
> > > > > The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.
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> > > > > The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).
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> > > > > Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.
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> > > > > Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18 minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.
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> > > > > So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.
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> > > > > Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.
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> > > > > It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
> > > > Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.
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> > > > Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.
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> > > > The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.
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> > > > A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.
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> > > > In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.
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> > > > Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.
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> > > > The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.
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> > > > II.92
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> > > > Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
> > > > Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
> > > > Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
> > > > Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped
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> > > > The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.
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> > > > III.13
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> > > > By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
> > > > Of the two captives one will consume the other
> > > > For the city the greatest extension
> > > > When submerged the fleet will swim
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> > > > Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -
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> > > > IV.38
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> > > > Before the assault one will eat the other
> > > > Melted metal will follow the trail of blood
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> > > > Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -
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> > > > IV.41
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> > > > Gymnique sexe captive par otage
> > > > Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir
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> > > > Female athlete held captive as hostage
> > > > Custodians will come to be deceived by night
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> > > > So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
> > > Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.
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> > > When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.
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> > > Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.
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> > > An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
> > Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances.
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> > The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.
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> > Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.
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> > The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.
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> > Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).
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> > The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.
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> > Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:25 pm PST].
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> > The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.
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> > And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.
> Current events (such as the death of Kirstie Alley, and release of Brittney Griner) have established the double cataclysm of fire and flood (the Anaxagoric Revolution from the Preface) will occur soon, before the Great Mercury Reign has concluded with the entry of Venus into Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.
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> The amazing judicial astrology strongly indicates the evening of Friday, 9 December 2022 for Geneva, consulting animated local charts.
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> Soon after 4 pm CET a Lunar Grand Trine forms with Vesta and the Vertex: this peaks around 4:30 pm CET, with Fortune conjoining Venus; it dissipates around 5 pm CET, as the Vertex joins the South Node. Vesta is at the Apex, tipping towards the right.
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> When Dusk arrives at 4:45 pm CET, the jump for Fortune is from the position of Mercury (3 degrees 12 minutes Capricorn) to 1 degree 23 minutes Sagittarius.
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> The extraordinary moment is synchronized with the perfected Mercury lunar opposition at 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET:
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> Both the Cancer Moon and Mercury in Capricorn at 4 degrees 3 minutes in their respective signs;
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> Simultaneously, Saturn reaches the Midheaven point in trine with the Ascendant;
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> And a new Grand Trine materializes with the East Point augmenting the trine relationship of Pluto and Ceres, rejuvenating what had been observed initially as a Lunar Grand Trine previously.
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> It is as if Saturn passing the skewed Midheaven point creates an effect like cyclist Miss Gulch becoming the Wicked Witch riding a broomstick in the cyclone scene from "The Wizard Of Oz" -
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> Saturn itself will convert gold to sword
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> The innocuous Vertex Grand Trine vanishing as the sinister East Point Grand Trine suddenly becomes prominent happens while Venus-Babylon is still descending alone towards the Ecliptic, being made to receive the contents of the Cup of Divine Fury on her way down.
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> Then Neptune ascends to the highest Apex of the celestial Vault, on the Eleventh House cusp, around 5 pm CET.
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> The East Point Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is pivoting on the Ceres-Fulcrum, tipping towards a balanced-level orientation for the top trine line.
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> This could be the Corinth perplexity, shortly following the Saturn at Midheaven moment; the Moon as Ephesus is itself occupied in Mercury opposition.. Thus the perplexity has Neptune and the Moon separately engaged in different ways.
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> Since Ceres and Jupiter are in near opposition, Ceres reaches the False Nadir at 5:15 pm CET - by then the East Point Grand Trine has degraded into non-existence.
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> Jupiter follows Neptune at the Eleventh House cusp near-vertical Apex point at 5:20 pm CET, which may be the striking of the High-Born from II.92.
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> Venus descends beneath the Ecliptic at 5:34 pm CET.
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> So there seems to be close focus on a brief interval, alternating between which celestial bodies are crossing the actual Midheaven point versus the Eleventh House cusp false Prime Vertical, as Evening Star Venus sets for Geneva after Sunset.
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> The sequence appears to conclude when Vesta follows Saturn at the true Midheaven point 9 December 2022 5:53 pm CET: this moment is also Moonrise; it finds Mercury at the Descendant; and the Sun is conjoined by the Part of Fortune. Also the Vertex briefly nearly achieves reinstating a Grand Trine between Neptune and the Lilith-Pallas pairing.
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> The 'Tipping Urn' making its ominous phantom appearance once Saturn crossing Midheaven sets up Venus for an unpleasant fall below the horizon -
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> So the critical time would be 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET / 10:55 am EST / 7:55 am PST.
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> The Moon will not make a conjunction beyond Mars until 11 December 2022.
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> *
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> Car selon les signes celestes,
> Le regne de Saturne sera de retour,
> Que le tout calcule,
> Le monde s'approche d'une anaragonique revolution
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> ...Because according to the celestial signs,
> The reign of Saturn will return -
> So that all things being calculated,
> The world will then be approaching an Anaxagoric revolution
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> The subtext to that Preface passage is that the 6 January 2021 Capitol rampage was during perhaps the critical initial reign of Saturn, whose astrological reprise will be 7 to 16 March 2023. (The preceding Preface sentence described the prior pre-Saturn reign condition from 18 December 2017, with the Sun progressing slightly before Saturn at the end of a lunar course).
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> The Greek philosopher Anaxagoras predicted the world ending through a fire and flood cataclysm.