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On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:10:43 PM UTC-8, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

:-)

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On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 11:10:43 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

Pete Shotton wrote that, by the time Lennon was accomodating the likes of Yoko & Magic Alex, Lennon's existence was a "continuous LSD trip."

The big LSD gurus of that time, Owsley Stanley and Timothy Leary, would be the first to say one shouldn't take LSD like that. The brain has to be allowed time to rebound from acid trips.

Charles Manson kept the members of his family susceptible to his instructions and crazy speculations by keeping them on LSD.

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On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 11:10:43 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

The blogger's question "Where did they get those chords?" is a good one. You don't hear a lot of the Beatles' chords in Elvis or Chuck Berry.

I'm sure there are books out there on this.

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On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
New release...Blackbird Musings...
https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063

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On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> New release...Blackbird Musings...
> https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063

A John Lennon connection...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

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 by: RJKe...@yahoo.com - Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:12 UTC

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> A John Lennon connection...
> https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/

Does listening to Mozart make people more intelligent?

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On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > A John Lennon connection...
> > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> Does listening to Mozart make people more intelligent?
Mozart's music has a gift of shalom...it makes everything better...

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On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > Does listening to Mozart make people more intelligent?
> Mozart's music has a gift of shalom...it makes everything better...

I have a friend who thought listening to Mozart made people more intelligent. When his son was born, he had Mozart's symphonies playing constantly. The son turns out to have average intelligence.

I don't doubt that people who are drawn to Mozart's work and who appreciate it have above-average IQs, though.

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On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:47:33 AM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > Does listening to Mozart make people more intelligent?
> > Mozart's music has a gift of shalom...it makes everything better...
> I have a friend who thought listening to Mozart made people more intelligent. When his son was born, he had Mozart's symphonies playing constantly. The son turns out to have average intelligence.
>
> I don't doubt that people who are drawn to Mozart's work and who appreciate it have above-average IQs, though.
I don't see Mozart being so much about genius as I do his creating works that help us to be grounded and in touch with our feelings...
In fact, there are pieces of Mozart's music I can't stand to listen to...one would think if he was all that smart he would have destroyed all evidence of them...such as the Turkish March, Eine Kleine Nacht Musik and the Flute and Harp Concerto!

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 by: RJKe...@yahoo.com - Fri, 30 Dec 2022 17:38 UTC

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:04:46 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:47:33 AM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > Does listening to Mozart make people more intelligent?
> > > Mozart's music has a gift of shalom...it makes everything better...
> > I have a friend who thought listening to Mozart made people more intelligent. When his son was born, he had Mozart's symphonies playing constantly. The son turns out to have average intelligence.
> >
> > I don't doubt that people who are drawn to Mozart's work and who appreciate it have above-average IQs, though.
> I don't see Mozart being so much about genius as I do his creating works that help us to be grounded and in touch with our feelings...
> In fact, there are pieces of Mozart's music I can't stand to listen to...one would think if he was all that smart he would have destroyed all evidence of them...such as the Turkish March, Eine Kleine Nacht Musik and the Flute and Harp Concerto!

Just because you don't like those pieces doesn't mean he didn't!
I wish I could listen to the pieces you named with fresh ears. I've heard them too many times in places like supermarkets and malls to know if I like them or not.

Did Mozart have Asperger's? He had to have. He was after all a great composer.

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 by: Pamela Brown - Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:43 UTC

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:04:46 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:47:33 AM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-6, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > > Does listening to Mozart make people more intelligent?
> > > > Mozart's music has a gift of shalom...it makes everything better...
> > > I have a friend who thought listening to Mozart made people more intelligent. When his son was born, he had Mozart's symphonies playing constantly. The son turns out to have average intelligence.
> > >
> > > I don't doubt that people who are drawn to Mozart's work and who appreciate it have above-average IQs, though.
> > I don't see Mozart being so much about genius as I do his creating works that help us to be grounded and in touch with our feelings...
> > In fact, there are pieces of Mozart's music I can't stand to listen to...one would think if he was all that smart he would have destroyed all evidence of them...such as the Turkish March, Eine Kleine Nacht Musik and the Flute and Harp Concerto!
> Just because you don't like those pieces doesn't mean he didn't!
> I wish I could listen to the pieces you named with fresh ears. I've heard them too many times in places like supermarkets and malls to know if I like them or not.
*Indeed. Awful earworms too...
>
> Did Mozart have Asperger's? He had to have. He was after all a great composer.
*Interesting question. Who knows?

BW, the ailing Pope Benedict loves Mozart. I hope they are playing it for him now...

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 by: Pamela Brown - Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:44 UTC

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> A John Lennon connection...
> https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
A Lennon focus...
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

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 by: Pamela Brown - Wed, 11 Jan 2023 15:37 UTC

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> A John Lennon connection...
> https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
Updated...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/

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 by: Pamela Brown - Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:28 UTC

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > A John Lennon connection...
> > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> Updated...
> https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/
Updated...
https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

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 by: Pamela Brown - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:53 UTC

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:28:08 PM UTC-5, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > Updated...
> > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2020/07/15/minnegeddon/
> Updated...
> https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/
On the possibility of my having been poisoned as a child...update...john lennon reference...
https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/on-the-possibility-of-my-having-been-poisoned-as-a-child/

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 by: Norbert K - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:23 UTC

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > A John Lennon connection...
> > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> A Lennon focus...
> https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/

With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.

Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."

Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.

-- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada

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 by: Pamela Brown - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:38 UTC

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > A Lennon focus...
> > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
>
> Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
>
> Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
>
> -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
Thank you!
However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide..

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 by: Norbert K - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 13:17 UTC

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > A Lennon focus...
> > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> >
> > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> >
> > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> >
> > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> Thank you!
> However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.

Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.

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 by: Pamela Brown - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:46 UTC

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:17:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > A Lennon focus...
> > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> > >
> > > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> > >
> > > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> > >
> > > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> > Thank you!
> > However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.
> Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.
Interesting.
Amazing that John came all the way from NYC to get tossed into the middle of some of the Kennedys' secrets in LA...to a place where Marilyn probably had at least one tryst with JFK...

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 by: Norbert K - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:36 UTC

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:46:44 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:17:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > > A Lennon focus...
> > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > > > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> > > >
> > > > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK.. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> > > >
> > > > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> > > >
> > > > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> > > Thank you!
> > > However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.
> > Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.
> Interesting.
> Amazing that John came all the way from NYC to get tossed into the middle of some of the Kennedys' secrets in LA...to a place where Marilyn probably had at least one tryst with JFK...

I read somewhere that, once they had arranged to inhabit the onetime Peter Lawford house, John made sure that he & May took the room where JFK slept with Marilyn Monroe.

I don't know. The more Iearn about the Kennedies, the less I like them. E..g., "Profiles in Courage" was actually written by Ted Sorensen. Kennedy would offer internships to young women (including Mimi Alford), only to use them for sex.

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 by: Pamela Brown - Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:39 UTC

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:46:44 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:17:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > > > A Lennon focus...
> > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > > > > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> > > > >
> > > > > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> > > > >
> > > > > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> > > > Thank you!
> > > > However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.
> > > Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.
> > Interesting.
> > Amazing that John came all the way from NYC to get tossed into the middle of some of the Kennedys' secrets in LA...to a place where Marilyn probably had at least one tryst with JFK...
> I read somewhere that, once they had arranged to inhabit the onetime Peter Lawford house, John made sure that he & May took the room where JFK slept with Marilyn Monroe.

That''s amazing.
I did not realize May was in the Twin Cities last summer. I would love to have met her...
https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapolis/calendar/event/20230820/53d2ce88-2353-40a2-9809-4e9513156908/the-lost-weekend-the-photography-of-may-pang
>
> I don't know. The more Iearn about the Kennedys, the less I like them. E.g., "Profiles in Courage" was actually written by Ted Sorensen. Kennedy would offer internships to young women (including Mimi Alford), only to use them for sex.

You're right about the Kennedys. In my work as the JFK assassination limo expert I had to deal with them and can attest to that personally. Here is my limo website...http://ss100x.com/

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 by: Norbert K - Fri, 27 Oct 2023 13:11 UTC

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:39:31 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:46:44 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:17:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > > > > A Lennon focus...
> > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > > > > > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964.. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.
> > > > Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.
> > > Interesting.
> > > Amazing that John came all the way from NYC to get tossed into the middle of some of the Kennedys' secrets in LA...to a place where Marilyn probably had at least one tryst with JFK...
> > I read somewhere that, once they had arranged to inhabit the onetime Peter Lawford house, John made sure that he & May took the room where JFK slept with Marilyn Monroe.
> That''s amazing.
> I did not realize May was in the Twin Cities last summer. I would love to have met her...
> https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapolis/calendar/event/20230820/53d2ce88-2353-40a2-9809-4e9513156908/the-lost-weekend-the-photography-of-may-pang
> >
> > I don't know. The more Iearn about the Kennedys, the less I like them. E.g., "Profiles in Courage" was actually written by Ted Sorensen. Kennedy would offer internships to young women (including Mimi Alford), only to use them for sex.
>
> You're right about the Kennedys. In my work as the JFK assassination limo expert I had to deal with them and can attest to that personally. Here is my limo website...http://ss100x.com/

How about the screw-up sons of JFK and RFK? JFK Jr. famously crashed his plane and killed his two passengers. He shouldn't have been flying in the first place; he was inexperienced with nighttime flight and not particularly familiar with the craft's controls.

RFK Jr., meanwhile, is a mentally ill anti-vax nut who wrote a miserable excuse for a book trying to muddle the issue of his cousin Michael Skakel's murder of Martha Moxley.

The drugged-out inhabitants of the region where I live think JFK Jr. is going to come back to life and join forces with Donald Trump! That tells you how fried their minds are. The guy is first of all dead; moreover, he was never a politician. He was a failing magazine contributor with attention deficit disorder.

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On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:39:31 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:46:44 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:17:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > > > > > A Lennon focus...
> > > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > > > > > > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.
> > > > > Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.
> > > > Interesting.
> > > > Amazing that John came all the way from NYC to get tossed into the middle of some of the Kennedys' secrets in LA...to a place where Marilyn probably had at least one tryst with JFK...
> > > I read somewhere that, once they had arranged to inhabit the onetime Peter Lawford house, John made sure that he & May took the room where JFK slept with Marilyn Monroe.
> > That''s amazing.
> > I did not realize May was in the Twin Cities last summer. I would love to have met her...
> > https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapolis/calendar/event/20230820/53d2ce88-2353-40a2-9809-4e9513156908/the-lost-weekend-the-photography-of-may-pang
> > >
> > > I don't know. The more Iearn about the Kennedys, the less I like them.. E.g., "Profiles in Courage" was actually written by Ted Sorensen. Kennedy would offer internships to young women (including Mimi Alford), only to use them for sex.
> >
> > You're right about the Kennedys. In my work as the JFK assassination limo expert I had to deal with them and can attest to that personally. Here is my limo website...http://ss100x.com/
> How about the screw-up sons of JFK and RFK? JFK Jr. famously crashed his plane and killed his two passengers. He shouldn't have been flying in the first place; he was inexperienced with nighttime flight and not particularly familiar with the craft's controls.
>
> RFK Jr., meanwhile, is a mentally ill anti-vax nut who wrote a miserable excuse for a book trying to muddle the issue of his cousin Michael Skakel's murder of Martha Moxley.
>
> The drugged-out inhabitants of the region where I live think JFK Jr. is going to come back to life and join forces with Donald Trump! That tells you how fried their minds are. The guy is first of all dead; moreover, he was never a politician. He was a failing magazine contributor with attention deficit disorder.

I think Jackie O ruined John Jr's life. He wanted to be an actor; she made him go to law school. He fell in love with Daryl Hannah; she made him break if off. Jackie had her eyes set on regaining the White House, even at the expense of her son. He died on his way to her house in Nantucket. I think she was a terrible. mother.

I have been reading about the JFK Jr. 'return' and have to agree that is one of the wierdest theories I have ever heard.

I cannot imagine what RFK Jr. thinks he is doing. Whatever it is, it does not bode well...

(Here is my limo blog...https://ss100x.wordpress.com/)

Pamela

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On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 5:26:06 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:39:31 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:36:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:46:44 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:17:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:44:20 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:30:56 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/
> > > > > > > > > > > New release...Blackbird Musings...
> > > > > > > > > > > https://music.apple.com/us/album/blackbird-musings-single/1651215063
> > > > > > > > > > A John Lennon connection...
> > > > > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2022/12/25/minnegeddon/
> > > > > > > > > A Lennon focus...
> > > > > > > > > https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2021/05/08/is-bob-dylan-speaking-for-himself-in-false-prophet/
> > > > > > > > With regard to your question of whether there is a connection between Marilyn Monroe's performance of "Happy Brthday, Mr. President" and her death a few months later, the answer is "Yes," according to a biography of Peter Lawford I've read.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Monroe had been having intimate relationships with both JFK and RFK. Indeed, while Monroe's wardrobe guy was assembling the famous dress around Marilyn, RFK interrupted to request some minutes alone with the not-yet-fully-dressed actress. The wardrobe guy eventually returned, finding the star disheveled and in need of being "put back together."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Monroe's performance for JFK was so over-the-top that the Kennedy brothers deemed her a loose cannon -- who had to be avoided. RFK wouldn't see her again -- or even speak to her to explain why he had abruptly ended their relationship. This sent Monroe into the downward spiral that culminated in her suicide.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -- summarized from Peter Lawford: The Man Who Kept the Secrets, by James Spada
> > > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > > However, I don't think Marilyn killed herself. I think she was deemed a threat. Jackie did not attend the MSG performance. She was utterly humiliated. And, it was so over-the-top that tongues were wagging and the truth about JFK's infidelities was threatening to come to light. If that had been the case, it could have presented a threat to JFK's reelection in 1964. So I think she was taken out of the way, and it was meant to look like suicide.
> > > > > > Coincidentally, a James Ellroy documentary came up on my Youtube this morning while I was working on some things. Ellroy was on the Santa Monica beach for some of the footage, and he made mention of his proximity to the former Peter Lawford house (or "fuck-pad," as Ellroy put it). No mention was made of Lennon's later residence at the place.
> > > > > Interesting.
> > > > > Amazing that John came all the way from NYC to get tossed into the middle of some of the Kennedys' secrets in LA...to a place where Marilyn probably had at least one tryst with JFK...
> > > > I read somewhere that, once they had arranged to inhabit the onetime Peter Lawford house, John made sure that he & May took the room where JFK slept with Marilyn Monroe.
> > > That''s amazing.
> > > I did not realize May was in the Twin Cities last summer. I would love to have met her...
> > > https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapolis/calendar/event/20230820/53d2ce88-2353-40a2-9809-4e9513156908/the-lost-weekend-the-photography-of-may-pang
> > > >
> > > > I don't know. The more Iearn about the Kennedys, the less I like them. E.g., "Profiles in Courage" was actually written by Ted Sorensen. Kennedy would offer internships to young women (including Mimi Alford), only to use them for sex.
> > >
> > > You're right about the Kennedys. In my work as the JFK assassination limo expert I had to deal with them and can attest to that personally. Here is my limo website...http://ss100x.com/
> > How about the screw-up sons of JFK and RFK? JFK Jr. famously crashed his plane and killed his two passengers. He shouldn't have been flying in the first place; he was inexperienced with nighttime flight and not particularly familiar with the craft's controls.
> >
> > RFK Jr., meanwhile, is a mentally ill anti-vax nut who wrote a miserable excuse for a book trying to muddle the issue of his cousin Michael Skakel's murder of Martha Moxley.
> >
> > The drugged-out inhabitants of the region where I live think JFK Jr. is going to come back to life and join forces with Donald Trump! That tells you how fried their minds are. The guy is first of all dead; moreover, he was never a politician. He was a failing magazine contributor with attention deficit disorder.
> I think Jackie O ruined John Jr's life. He wanted to be an actor; she made him go to law school. He fell in love with Daryl Hannah; she made him break if off. Jackie had her eyes set on regaining the White House, even at the expense of her son. He died on his way to her house in Nantucket. I think she was a terrible. mother.
>
> I have been reading about the JFK Jr. 'return' and have to agree that is one of the wierdest theories I have ever heard.
>
> I cannot imagine what RFK Jr. thinks he is doing. Whatever it is, it does not bode well...
>
> (Here is my limo blog...https://ss100x.wordpress.com/)
>
> Pamela

I didn't know that about Jackie O. and her son. How sad.

RFK Jr. admits to suffering some sort of neurological disease. Obviously impairment could be the source of some of his bizarre delusions -- including the one that the disease was caused by influenza vaccine!

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