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* Re: Direct Order origins?Dorothy J Heydt
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From: djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject: Re: Direct Order origins?
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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Tue, 22 Feb 2022 05:20 UTC

In article <bt171hljuqivr80r0obd5afiocuutevmgi@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was watching "Raised By Wolves" last night and the phrase "Direct
>Order" was used to instruct an android to do something it didn't want
>to do.
>
>The only other place I have seen that term used in that context is in
>Mark Stanley's "Freefall" web comic, where it is used not only with
>androids but with all AIs including organic ones.
>
>I don't recall seeing it elsewhere. Does anybody have an earlier
>usage?

In the webcomic _Freefall_, humans command robots and other AIs
by surrounding them with the phrases "Direct order:" and "End
order." I borrowed them for a similar use in my space opera that
currently nears completion but will probably never see print.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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 by: smw - Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:09 UTC

In <r7oxIz.21wn@kithrup.com> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

>In the webcomic _Freefall_, humans command robots and other AIs
>by surrounding them with the phrases "Direct order:" and "End
>order."

....the very best example of which has to be this one:

http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1800/fc01780.htm

Note that the everyone on the right side of the fifth panel is compelled
to follow direct orders; in addition to Florence and Helix (the obvious
robot standing beside her), the three police officers are also robots.

This is the culmination of a sequence which begins 33 strips earlier, at

http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1800/fc01747.htm

....but I think it stands well enough on its own. :-)

- Steven
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Steven Winikoff | "The man who has ceased to learn ought
Montreal, QC, Canada | not to be allowed to wander around
smw@smwonline.ca | loose in these dangerous days."
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| - M. M. Coady

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In <kcl91hh1tqjnjhot42djlu5k3h16g1vfgb@4ax.com>
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

>The thing is, I was wondering if it had been used anywhere in the
>context of humans giving orders to robots or AIs _before_ "Freefall".

I know, and I'm sorry I can't help with that. I just thought that cartoon
was far too good not to share.

- Steven
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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:02 UTC

> In <kcl91hh1tqjnjhot42djlu5k3h16g1vfgb@4ax.com>
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> The thing is, I was wondering if it had been used anywhere in the
>> context of humans giving orders to robots or AIs _before_ "Freefall".

I just came across the term "direct order" in Vonnegut's _The
Sirens of Titan_ (1959), but it's a Martian giving an order
to a human conscripted into the Martian army.

So it's an older use of the term, and in SF.

Oh, and the human has just come out of a mind-wipe treatment,
so he's almost a robot. And the order is to strangle his best
friend. (Shades of _The Manchurian Candidate_!)

--
Michael F. Stemper
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.

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 by: Titus G - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 03:10 UTC

On 23/02/22 09:02, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> In <kcl91hh1tqjnjhot42djlu5k3h16g1vfgb@4ax.com>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> The thing is, I was wondering if it had been used anywhere in the
>>> context of humans giving orders to robots or AIs _before_ "Freefall".
>
> I just came across the term "direct order" in Vonnegut's _The
> Sirens of Titan_ (1959), but it's a Martian giving an order
> to a human conscripted into the Martian army.
>
> So it's an older use of the term, and in SF.
>
> Oh, and the human has just come out of a mind-wipe treatment,
> so he's almost a robot. And the order is to strangle his best
> friend. (Shades of _The Manchurian Candidate_!)
>
..
Vonnegut's _The Sirens of Titan_ was once my favourite book but much of
it is now forgotten unfortunately. I own less than 50 paper books that I
have bought for myself and Sirens is one of them, a cheap US Dell
edition, $2.25 ($2.75 in Canada). I have just got a copy for the Kindle
so will re-read it as I suspect it will pass the test of time, (fingers
crossed).


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