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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY

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On Thursday, 11 August 2022 at 02:13:25 UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY

I grew up with a Bechstein grand. Nice piano but I prefer a Steinway.

Gieseking played a Bechstein. Don't know who else.

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 by: mINE109 - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:23 UTC

On 8/11/22 4:09 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Thursday, 11 August 2022 at 02:13:25 UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
>
> I grew up with a Bechstein grand. Nice piano but I prefer a Steinway.
>
> Gieseking played a Bechstein. Don't know who else.

Schnabel and other Abbey Road artists such as Fischer.

Also, Trident Studios:
https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/the-most-important-instrument-in-rock

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:28 UTC

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:23:55 AM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
> On 8/11/22 4:09 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Thursday, 11 August 2022 at 02:13:25 UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
> >
> > I grew up with a Bechstein grand. Nice piano but I
> > prefer a Steinway.
> >
> > Gieseking played a Bechstein. Don't know who else.
> Schnabel and other Abbey Road artists such as Fischer.
>
> Also, Trident Studios:
>
> https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/the-most-important-instrument-in-rock

Before WWII Bechsteins were quite popular among top
classical pianists. Lipatti, Schnabel, Gieseking, Harold
Samuel, Haskil and others can be seen playing (well,
actuyally sitting in front of) Bechstein grands. WWII
dealt a blow to the Bechstein company from which
it never quite recovered.

dk

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On 2022-08-11 12:28 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:23:55 AM UTC-7, MINe109 wrote:
>> On 8/11/22 4:09 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 11 August 2022 at 02:13:25 UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
>>>
>>> I grew up with a Bechstein grand. Nice piano but I
>>> prefer a Steinway.
>>>
>>> Gieseking played a Bechstein. Don't know who else.
>> Schnabel and other Abbey Road artists such as Fischer.
>>
>> Also, Trident Studios:
>>
>> https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/the-most-important-instrument-in-rock
>
> Before WWII Bechsteins were quite popular among top
> classical pianists. Lipatti, Schnabel, Gieseking, Harold
> Samuel, Haskil and others can be seen playing (well,
> actuyally sitting in front of) Bechstein grands. WWII
> dealt a blow to the Bechstein company from which
> it never quite recovered.
>
> dk
Debussy favoured the Bechstein and Cassard has recorded the preludes on
one made around 1900.

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 by: francis - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:27 UTC

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 6:13:25 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
Rachmaninoff played Bechsteins for his European concerts until 1928. Come to think of it, it is likely that the Schubert Sonata he recorded with Kreisler in Berlin was made on a Bechstein. And Jorge Bolet played Bechsteins in Europe through through the 70s and early 1980s. His Chopin/Godowsky Etudes/Waltzes and the first three of his Decca/London Liszt series were made on a Bechstein in London. In the US, he played a special Bechstein from around 1979 to 1982 during the time Baldwin handled Bechstein in the US. The recording of both Liszt concertos he made for Vox with David Zinman and the Rochester Philharmonic was made on a Bechstein and, in fact, that Bechstein stayed in Rochester, having been bought by the Eastman School. It's probably still there.

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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:10 UTC

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:09:12 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Thursday, 11 August 2022 at 02:13:25 UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
>
> I grew up with a Bechstein grand. Nice piano but I prefer a Steinway.
>
> Gieseking played a Bechstein. Don't know who else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE9ChQj-iZw

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 by: Owen - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:00 UTC

On 8/12/22 1:27 AM, francis wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 6:13:25 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
> Rachmaninoff played Bechsteins for his European concerts until 1928. Come to think of it, it is likely that the Schubert Sonata he recorded with Kreisler in Berlin was made on a Bechstein. And Jorge Bolet played Bechsteins in Europe through through the 70s and early 1980s. His Chopin/Godowsky Etudes/Waltzes and the first three of his Decca/London Liszt series were made on a Bechstein in London. In the US, he played a special Bechstein from around 1979 to 1982 during the time Baldwin handled Bechstein in the US. The recording of both Liszt concertos he made for Vox with David Zinman and the Rochester Philharmonic was made on a Bechstein and, in fact, that Bechstein stayed in Rochester, having been bought by the Eastman School. It's probably still there.

He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic on the
occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).

-Owen

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On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
>
> He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic
> on the occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).

If memory serves, the Baldwin sound was
similar to the Bechstein sound. Perhaps a
tad warmer. Baldwin's weaknesses were
the actions and the fact they could not
stay in tune long enough for a 2 hour
recital.

dk

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On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:02:13 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> >
> > He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic
> > on the occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).
> If memory serves, the Baldwin sound was
> similar to the Bechstein sound. Perhaps a
> tad warmer. Baldwin's weaknesses were
> the actions and the fact they could not
> stay in tune long enough for a 2 hour
> recital.

Another great sounding Bechstein:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtQNPw21RE4

dk

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On 2022-08-13 12:02 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
>>
>> He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic
>> on the occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).
>
> If memory serves, the Baldwin sound was
> similar to the Bechstein sound. Perhaps a
> tad warmer. Baldwin's weaknesses were
> the actions and the fact they could not
> stay in tune long enough for a 2 hour
> recital.
>
> dk
I have a multi-disc set of Moravec recordings. For those recorded in NY
he used a Baldwin and its sound is execrable. The others were recorded
in Europe on a "favourite" of yours, a Steinway, which had a vastly
superior sound.

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On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-08-13 12:02 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> >>
> >> He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic
> >> on the occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).
> >
> > If memory serves, the Baldwin sound was
> > similar to the Bechstein sound. Perhaps a
> > tad warmer. Baldwin's weaknesses were
> > the actions and the fact they could not
> > stay in tune long enough for a 2 hour
> > recital.
>
> I have a multi-disc set of Moravec recordings.
> For those recorded in NY he used a Baldwin
> and its sound is execrable.

Any instrument can sound execrable if not
properly tuned, voiced and regulated, not
to mention recorded well.

> The others were recorded in Europe on a
> "favourite" of yours, a Steinway, which had
> a vastly superior sound.

In general I prefer instruments with a rounder,
mellower sound and more even top to bottom
timbre than many (most?) Steinways I heard
or played. This does not mean all Steinways
are inferior to all Bechsteins, or viceversa.

dk

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On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 9:38:04 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > On 2022-08-13 12:02 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic
> > >> on the occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).
> > >
> > > If memory serves, the Baldwin sound was
> > > similar to the Bechstein sound. Perhaps a
> > > tad warmer. Baldwin's weaknesses were
> > > the actions and the fact they could not
> > > stay in tune long enough for a 2 hour
> > > recital.
> >
> > I have a multi-disc set of Moravec recordings.
> > For those recorded in NY he used a Baldwin
> > and its sound is execrable.
>
> Any instrument can sound execrable if not
> properly tuned, voiced and regulated, not
> to mention recorded well.
>ü
> > The others were recorded in Europe on a
> > "favourite" of yours, a Steinway, which had
> > a vastly superior sound.
>
> In general I prefer instruments with a rounder,
> mellower sound and more even top to bottom
> timbre than many (most?) Steinways I heard
> or played. This does not mean all Steinways
> are inferior to all Bechsteins, or viceversa.

And here is a great sounding Blüthner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMv-p1WPMNw

The typical Blüthner sound is/was even
warmer and mellower than Bechstein's.
Ideal for Schumann and brahms. The
actions however tend/ed to be less
responsive than Bechstein's.

dk

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On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:27:16 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 9:38:04 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > > On 2022-08-13 12:02 a.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-7, Owen wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> He played on a Baldwin with the Rhode Island Philharmonic
> > > >> on the occasion I saw him there (in the 70s).
> > > >
> > > > If memory serves, the Baldwin sound was
> > > > similar to the Bechstein sound. Perhaps a
> > > > tad warmer. Baldwin's weaknesses were
> > > > the actions and the fact they could not
> > > > stay in tune long enough for a 2 hour
> > > > recital.
> > >
> > > I have a multi-disc set of Moravec recordings.
> > > For those recorded in NY he used a Baldwin
> > > and its sound is execrable.
> >
> > Any instrument can sound execrable if not
> > properly tuned, voiced and regulated, not
> > to mention recorded well.
> >ü
> > > The others were recorded in Europe on a
> > > "favourite" of yours, a Steinway, which had
> > > a vastly superior sound.
> >
> > In general I prefer instruments with a rounder,
> > mellower sound and more even top to bottom
> > timbre than many (most?) Steinways I heard
> > or played. This does not mean all Steinways
> > are inferior to all Bechsteins, or viceversa.
> And here is a great sounding Blüthner:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMv-p1WPMNw
>
> The typical Blüthner sound is/was even
> warmer and mellower than Bechstein's.
> Ideal for Schumann and brahms. The
> actions however tend/ed to be less
> responsive than Bechstein's.

Here is a Bechstein vs. Blüthner comparo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JisLTwYzkOA

Keep in mind however that both instruments
date from around 1900, and may not reflect
the sound of more recent instruments.

dk

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Scriabin owned a Bechstein which Sofronitsky played in the Scriabin Museum recitals -- it was not in a good state, out of tune etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVjXDOJgFk&ab_channel=auticre

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Subject: Re: The Bechstein sound
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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:16 UTC

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 6:13:25 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvXV6abqibc

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 08:32 UTC

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:16:58 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 6:13:25 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvXV6abqibc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgecQ1uytSA

dk

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Subject: Re: The Bechstein sound
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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 19:08 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:16:58 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 6:13:25 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvXV6abqibc
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgecQ1uytSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzGQ_5YcYUY

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Subject: Re: The Bechstein sound
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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 26 Aug 2022 03:25 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:08:34 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:16:58 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 6:13:25 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3sRVOsHgY
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvXV6abqibc
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgecQ1uytSA
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzGQ_5YcYUY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwQ7mskdZgw

Too bad the pianist is not up to the instrument.

dk

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