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 by: Norbert K - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 12:10 UTC

"Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr. Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr. Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr. Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon over God."

This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.

I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago.

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 by: geoff - Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:58 UTC

On 13/02/2023 1:10 am, Norbert K wrote:
> "Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr. Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr. Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr. Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon over God."
>
> This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.
>
> I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago.

Are you implying that committed Republicans were better in slavery days ?

;- )

geoff

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 by: Norbert K - Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:35 UTC

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:58:16 PM UTC-8, geoff wrote:
> On 13/02/2023 1:10 am, Norbert K wrote:
> > "Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr. Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr. Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr. Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon over God."
> >
> > This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.
> >
> > I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago.
> Are you implying that committed Republicans were better in slavery days ?
>
> ;- )
>
> geoff

There has been a shift. Can you imagine Eisenhower, Nixon, or even Reagan kissing the asses of Kim Jong Un and Putin, while promoting infantile, moronic garbage like Q-Anon?

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 by: geoff - Thu, 16 Feb 2023 00:41 UTC

On 15/02/2023 2:35 am, Norbert K wrote:
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:58:16 PM UTC-8, geoff wrote:
>> On 13/02/2023 1:10 am, Norbert K wrote:
>>> "Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr. Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr. Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr. Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon over God."
>>>
>>> This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.
>>>
>>> I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago.
>> Are you implying that committed Republicans were better in slavery days ?
>>
>> ;- )
>>
>> geoff
>
> There has been a shift. Can you imagine Eisenhower, Nixon, or even Reagan kissing the asses of Kim Jong Un and Putin, while promoting infantile, moronic garbage like Q-Anon?

Different shit for different eras I guess.

geoff

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 by: Norbert K - Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:25 UTC

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:42:01 PM UTC-8, geoff wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 2:35 am, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:58:16 PM UTC-8, geoff wrote:
> >> On 13/02/2023 1:10 am, Norbert K wrote:
> >>> "Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr. Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr. Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr. Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon over God."
> >>>
> >>> This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.
> >>>
> >>> I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago..
> >> Are you implying that committed Republicans were better in slavery days ?
> >>
> >> ;- )
> >>
> >> geoff
> >
> > There has been a shift. Can you imagine Eisenhower, Nixon, or even Reagan kissing the asses of Kim Jong Un and Putin, while promoting infantile, moronic garbage like Q-Anon?
> Different shit for different eras I guess.
>
> geoff

The Trump-era shit if of a different, anti-democrcy, anti-United States character.

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 by: Matt - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 10:40 UTC

On 12 Feb 2023 at 13:10:15 CET, "Norbert K" <norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr.
> Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but
> their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr.
> Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr.
> Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly
> shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon
> over God."
>
> This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his
> assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.
>
> I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened
> to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would
> have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago.

Of course John was more popular than any imaginary character!

The Beatles made music go years forward! from one moment to another,
something that few achieved in music or anything else..

Matt.

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 by: Norbert K - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:09 UTC

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 2:40:44 AM UTC-8, Matt wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2023 at 13:10:15 CET, "Norbert K" <norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Reaction to his statement appeared to be based on the assumption that Mr.
> > Lennon was comparing not the relative popularity of himself and Jesus but
> > their related virtues. And this is, of course, to miscomprehend what Mr.
> > Lennon said, which was certainly untactful and indubitably accurate. Mr.
> > Lennon's rather course ejaculation was to be sure the plain truth, hardly
> > shocking to students of the Bible, who know the relative attractions of Mammon
> > over God."
> >
> > This is basically a more long-winded version of how Lennon tried to defend his
> > assertion, except that Buckley is more insistent on its accuracy.
> >
> > I wish someone like Buckley were around today to comment on what has happened
> > to the Republican Party and today's so-called conservatives. None of it would
> > have been imaginable in Buckley's time -- or even ten years ago.
> Of course John was more popular than any imaginary character!
>
> The Beatles made music go years forward! from one moment to another,
> something that few achieved in music or anything else..
>
> Matt.

Yes, I think that Buckley and most of the other Beatles critics of 1964 assumed that they were a flash-in-the-pan. They had no sense of the guys' ingenuity and desire to innovate and evolve.

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