The 5th piano concerto of Camille Saint Saens has only been recorded
about thirty times since 1950...
*Richter* / *Kondrachine* (! Melodya 1952...Then 1955 and
1993)...Enchanting and unclassifiable...
*Fabienne Jacquinot* / *Fistoulari* (MGM 1953) confides to us the
secrets of the French School in a rhapsody with vivid colors...

Then come *Magda Tagliaferro* (APR 1954)...*Frugoni* (Vox
1955)...*Monique de la Bruchollerie* (INA 1965), all of whom captivate
by their bravery and virtuosity, and make us forget the lilites of
monophony...
As does the great *Jeanne Marie Darré*, (EMI 1957) accompanied by the
well forgotten Louis Forestier...And who records the first complete 5
concertos of SS...For me, this remains the _reference version_,
brilliant and infinitely poetic...

Then will come *Rogé* / Dutoit and especially *Collard* / Prévin,
Collard with a very convincing steel playing, I think... (even
ifDutoit/ Prévin never convinced me as a conductor)...
Obviously, *Ciccolini* / Baudo are there, with their debussystes colors
(EMI 1970)... In the end, quite disappointing...

*Thibaudet* / Dutoit (decidedly, this "conductor" [sic] seems to be a
subscriber to this work) instill an irresistible energy...
*Descharmes* (Naxos 2015), little known, manages to rid the work of all
its clichés...
*Kantorow* (father & son ! Bis 2016)...Subtle, perfect setting...
*Chamayou* / Krivine (I've always loved this conductor...Erato
2017)...True epic full of meaty sounds...

My podium ? (my god that all this is grotesque !) :

1 - *Jeanne Marie Darré*...
2 - *Jean yves Thibaudet*
3 - *Bertrand Chamayou*

*LONG LIVE FRANCE* !...

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 2:30:14 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> The 5th piano concerto of Camille Saint Saens has only been recorded
> about thirty times since 1950...
> *Richter* / *Kondrachine* (! Melodya 1952...Then 1955 and
> 1993)...Enchanting and unclassifiable...
> *Fabienne Jacquinot* / *Fistoulari* (MGM 1953) confides to us the
> secrets of the French School in a rhapsody with vivid colors...
>
> Then come *Magda Tagliaferro* (APR 1954)...*Frugoni* (Vox
> 1955)...*Monique de la Bruchollerie* (INA 1965), all of whom captivate
> by their bravery and virtuosity, and make us forget the lilites of
> monophony...
> As does the great *Jeanne Marie Darré*, (EMI 1957) accompanied by the
> well forgotten Louis Forestier...And who records the first complete 5
> concertos of SS...For me, this remains the _reference version_,
> brilliant and infinitely poetic...
>
> Then will come *Rogé* / Dutoit and especially *Collard* / Prévin,
> Collard with a very convincing steel playing, I think... (even
> ifDutoit/ Prévin never convinced me as a conductor)...
> Obviously, *Ciccolini* / Baudo are there, with their debussystes colors
> (EMI 1970)... In the end, quite disappointing...
>
> *Thibaudet* / Dutoit (decidedly, this "conductor" [sic] seems to be a
> subscriber to this work) instill an irresistible energy...
> *Descharmes* (Naxos 2015), little known, manages to rid the work of all
> its clichés...
> *Kantorow* (father & son ! Bis 2016)...Subtle, perfect setting...
> *Chamayou* / Krivine (I've always loved this conductor...Erato
> 2017)...True epic full of meaty sounds...
>
> My podium ? (my god that all this is grotesque !) :
>
> 1 - *Jeanne Marie Darré*...
> 2 - *Jean yves Thibaudet*
> 3 - *Bertrand Chamayou*
>
> *LONG LIVE FRANCE* !...

Fabienne Jacquinot leaves everyone else in the dust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHjPrO1BCWA

I heard both Magda Tagliaferro and Monique de
la Bruchollerie live, as well as Sviatoslav Richter.

Finally you seem to remember there is French
music after all!

dk

Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> Finally you seem to remember there is French
> music after all!

You know that I have been defending *FRENCH MUSIC* and its performers
on this forum for years !...

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:21:05 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> > Finally you seem to remember there is French
> > music after all!
>
> You know that I have been defending
> *FRENCH MUSIC* and its performers
> on this forum for years !...

Not nearly enough. No one hears your
voice. You also do not push back
enough against German music.

dk

On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 20:21:05 UTC+10, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> > Finally you seem to remember there is French
> > music after all!
> You know that I have been defending *FRENCH MUSIC* and its performers
> on this forum for years !...

I don't see anyone attacking French music, so there is no reason to defend it.

Most people like Debussy and Ravel, and also Poulenc and Messiaen, and Bizet, but the world has 100s of other comparable composers too. Maybe you ought to give some of them a try, n'est-ce pas?

Ray Hall, Taree

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:52:07 AM UTC+2, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I don't see anyone attacking French music, so there is no reason to defend it.
>
> Most people like Debussy and Ravel, and also Poulenc and Messiaen, and Bizet, but the world has 100s of other comparable composers too. Maybe you ought to give some of them a try, n'est-ce pas?
>
clearly French music needs some more defending.

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:52:07 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 20:21:05 UTC+10, MELMOTH wrote:
> > Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> > > Finally you seem to remember there is French
> > > music after all!
> > You know that I have been defending *FRENCH MUSIC* and its performers
> > on this forum for years !...
>
> I don't see anyone attacking French music, so there is no reason to defend it.
>
> Most people like Debussy and Ravel, and also Poulenc and Messiaen, and Bizet,
> but the world has 100s of other comparable composers too. Maybe you ought to
> give some of them a try, n'est-ce pas?

One sees little, if any discussion in this ng of Franck, Gounod, Faure, Saint-Saens,
d'Indy, Lalo, Chausson, Ropartz, Rameau, Couperin, Lully, Coste, Bizet, Magnard,
Duparc, Canteloube, Widor, Ibert, or even Berlioz.

dk

On Tuesday, 23 August 2022 at 16:50:31 UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:52:07 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 20:21:05 UTC+10, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> > > > Finally you seem to remember there is French
> > > > music after all!
> > > You know that I have been defending *FRENCH MUSIC* and its performers
> > > on this forum for years !...
> >
> > I don't see anyone attacking French music, so there is no reason to defend it.
> >
> > Most people like Debussy and Ravel, and also Poulenc and Messiaen, and Bizet,
> > but the world has 100s of other comparable composers too. Maybe you ought to
> > give some of them a try, n'est-ce pas?
> One sees little, if any discussion in this ng of Franck, Gounod, Faure, Saint-Saens,
> d'Indy, Lalo, Chausson, Ropartz, Rameau, Couperin, Lully, Coste, Bizet, Magnard,
> Duparc, Canteloube, Widor, Ibert, or even Berlioz.
>
> dk

All are very capable composers, but none possess the stature of about 200 others I could name of other nationalities. I am surprised Bizet gets little mention when his symphony, Carmen and L'arlesienne suites are up there with the best, and much possible output denied by his early death.

Of course Rameau and Lully were giants of their time afaik, but that era is not ours. The French baroque was indeed special.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 11:50:31 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:52:07 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 20:21:05 UTC+10, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> > > > Finally you seem to remember there is French
> > > > music after all!
> > > You know that I have been defending *FRENCH MUSIC* and its performers
> > > on this forum for years !...
> >
> > I don't see anyone attacking French music, so there is no reason to defend it.
> >
> > Most people like Debussy and Ravel, and also Poulenc and Messiaen, and Bizet,
> > but the world has 100s of other comparable composers too. Maybe you ought to
> > give some of them a try, n'est-ce pas?
>
> One sees little, if any discussion in this ng of Franck, Gounod, Faure, Saint-Saens,
> d'Indy, Lalo, Chausson, Ropartz, Rameau, Couperin, Lully, Coste, Bizet, Magnard,
> Duparc, Canteloube, Widor, Ibert, or even Berlioz.

How could I forget Roussel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlBS3GWEYJ8

dk