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On Friday, February 11, 2011 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-8, wkasimer wrote:
> On Feb 11, 7:31 am, Dennis <dennis.music...@musicfan.invalid> wrote:
> > What are currently your favourite recordings of Beethoven's late
> > string quartets? Vegh (2x), Talich, Tacacs, Petersen, Tokyo, Budapest
> > (2x?), Alban Berg (2x), Hollywood, Vermeer, Suske, Guarneri, Leipzig,
> > Smetana, other Quartet?
> Off the top of my head, the Hagen and Smetana (1960's) quartets. And
> I love what I've been able to find of the first Juilliard recordings
> on RCA.
> Bill

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/u1oQf_ssSww/m/3dbD-s4drDIJ

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 by: Lawrence Kart - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 02:53 UTC

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2011 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-8, wkasimer wrote:
> > On Feb 11, 7:31 am, Dennis <dennis.music...@musicfan.invalid> wrote:
> > > What are currently your favourite recordings of Beethoven's late
> > > string quartets? Vegh (2x), Talich, Tacacs, Petersen, Tokyo, Budapest
> > > (2x?), Alban Berg (2x), Hollywood, Vermeer, Suske, Guarneri, Leipzig,
> > > Smetana, other Quartet?
> > Off the top of my head, the Hagen and Smetana (1960's) quartets. And
> > I love what I've been able to find of the first Juilliard recordings
> > on RCA.
> > Bill
> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/u1oQf_ssSww/m/3dbD-s4drDIJ

Shoot me, but I like the Guarneri. And the Yale as well.

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 by: henrysibley - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 13:04 UTC

On 2022-09-20 02:53:46 +0000, Lawrence Kart said:

> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
>> On Friday, February 11, 2011 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-8, wkasimer wrote:
>>> On Feb 11, 7:31 am, Dennis <dennis.music...@musicfan.invalid> wrote:
>>>> What are currently your favourite recordings of Beethoven's late
>>>> string quartets? Vegh (2x), Talich, Tacacs, Petersen, Tokyo, Budapest
>>>> (2x?), Alban Berg (2x), Hollywood, Vermeer, Suske, Guarneri, Leipzig,
>>>> Smetana, other Quartet?
>>> Off the top of my head, the Hagen and Smetana (1960's) quartets. And
>>> I love what I've been able to find of the first Juilliard recordings
>>> on RCA.
>>> Bill
>> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/u1oQf_ssSww/m/3dbD-s4drDIJ
>>
>
>
> Shoot me, but I like the Guarneri. And the Yale as well.

And Cleveland....

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 by: Alex Brown - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 13:25 UTC

On 2022-09-20 14:04, henrysibley wrote:
> On 2022-09-20 02:53:46 +0000, Lawrence Kart said:
>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 11, 2011 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-8, wkasimer wrote:
>>>> On Feb 11, 7:31 am, Dennis <dennis.music...@musicfan.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> What are currently your favourite recordings of Beethoven's late
>>>>> string quartets? Vegh (2x), Talich, Tacacs, Petersen, Tokyo, Budapest
>>>>> (2x?), Alban Berg (2x), Hollywood, Vermeer, Suske, Guarneri, Leipzig,
>>>>> Smetana, other Quartet?
>>>> Off the top of my head, the Hagen and Smetana (1960's) quartets. And
>>>> I love what I've been able to find of the first Juilliard recordings
>>>> on RCA.
>>>> Bill
>>> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/u1oQf_ssSww/m/3dbD-s4drDIJ
>>
>>
>> Shoot me, but I like the Guarneri. And the Yale as well.
>
>
> And Cleveland....
>

Holy revenant thread, Batman!

I suppose one interesting question might be, has anything changed in the
11 years since this was last discussed?

--
- Alex Brown

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What happened to Lena?

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On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:37:56 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> What happened to Lena?

Make that: what happened to RMCR?
Just look at the substance in those comments twelve years back...

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 by: gggg gggg - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:08 UTC

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:37:56 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> > What happened to Lena?
>
> Make that: what happened to RMCR?
> Just look at the substance in those comments twelve years back...

Isn't it important to see and be reminded that years back, posters were more knowledgeable, more articulate and more polite than they are now?

That's what I say to those who have complained about my posts:

- Perhaps naive could be described as one who comes to a RMCR thread expecting something other than gggg dredging up a 10 year old thread...

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On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:37:56 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
> > What happened to Lena?
>
> Make that: what happened to RMCR?
> Just look at the substance in those comments twelve years back...

Isn't it important to see and be reminded that years back, posters were more knowledgeable, more articulate and less crude than they are now?

That's what I say to those who have complained about my posts:

- Perhaps naive could be described as one who comes to a RMCR thread expecting something other than gggg dredging up a 10 year old thread...

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 by: Bob Harper - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:56 UTC

On 9/20/22 9:34 AM, Herman wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:37:56 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
>> What happened to Lena?
>
> Make that: what happened to RMCR?
> Just look at the substance in those comments twelve years back...

Or make that: what's happened to the world? What's happened to public
discourse? Not much that's good, I fear. As for the Late Quartets, they
are the quintessence of 'music that is greater than it can be played'. I
own most of those mentioned by Mr. Kasimer plus a cou[le he doesn't
mention, and would be loathe to give up any of them.

Bob Harper

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 by: henrysibley - Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:57 UTC

On 2022-09-20 20:56:14 +0000, Bob Harper said:

> On 9/20/22 9:34 AM, Herman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:37:56 PM UTC+2, Mandryka wrote:
>>> What happened to Lena?
>>
>> Make that: what happened to RMCR?
>> Just look at the substance in those comments twelve years back...
>
> Or make that: what's happened to the world? What's happened to public
> discourse? Not much that's good, I fear. As for the Late Quartets, they
> are the quintessence of 'music that is greater than it can be played'.
> I own most of those mentioned by Mr. Kasimer plus a cou[le he doesn't
> mention, and would be loathe to give up any of them.
>
> Bob Harper

People using USENET and reading RMCR didn't grow up distractred 24/7 by
a mobile phone since age 7, or acquire that malady in the last 15 years.

I've tired of Beethoven's symphonies, but I will never tire of the
string quartets.

Hank

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On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-7, henrysibley wrote:
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> I've tired of Beethoven's symphonies,
> but I will never tire of the string quartets.

That will come too, sooner or later.

dk

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 by: MELMOTH - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 07:47 UTC

Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
>> I've tired of Beethoven's symphonies,
>> but I will never tire of the string quartets.
>
> That will come too, sooner or later.

As far as I am concerned, this will never be my case...

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On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:47:31 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> >> I've tired of Beethoven's symphonies,
> >> but I will never tire of the string quartets.
> >
> > That will come too, sooner or later.
>
> As far as I am concerned, this will
> never be my case...

This should be pretty easy to test.
Can you listen non-stop to any one
of them? Have you listened non stop
to any one of them, and if so for how
long? Did you take naps or bathroom
breaks while doing it?

For example, I can listen to Iberia non
stop forever, without eating, taking
naps, or going to the bathroom,
only sipping a bit of water while
I listen. Can you do this with LvB's
stringtets? I ask the question .....

dk

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 by: MELMOTH - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:26 UTC

Après mûre réflexion, MELMOTH a écrit :
>>> I've tired of Beethoven's symphonies, but I will never tire of the string
>>> quartets.
>>
>> That will come too, sooner or later.
>
> As far as I am concerned, this will never be my case...

So I just listened again last night to the 5 LB concertos by
Gilels/Masur 'Live 1976)...And just now to the symphonies 1 and 6 by
Szell (which I hadn't heard in decades by this conductor!)...Of
chilling perfection...

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 by: MELMOTH - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 14:04 UTC

MELMOTH avait prétendu :
> So I just listened again last night to the 5 LB concertos by Gilels/Masur
> 'Live 1976)...And just now to the symphonies 1 and 6 by Szell (which I hadn't
> heard in decades by this conductor!)...Of chilling perfection...

Gilels has recorded the body of the 5 concertos 4 times :

- lukewarm water: with Szell
- hot water : with Ludwig/Vandernoot/Cluytens
- very hot water : with Sanderling
- boiling water : with Masur

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 by: Herman - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 14:14 UTC

Listening to one piece of music all day, forever, is different from listening to fifteen different string quartets, but still, the whole idea is sophomoric. Childish. Infantile.

Even in retirement people have stuff to do, have a social life (IRL), share their life with loved ones (who may not be into listening to the same stupid piece of music all day).

Why are people with a mental age of a child spending all their time online? Because they have the mental age of a child.

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 by: Trump - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 15:14 UTC

Herman avait soumis l'idée :
> Listening to one piece of music all day, forever, is different from listening
> to fifteen different string quartets, but still, the whole idea is
> sophomoric. Childish. Infantile.

Life is a Tale
Told by an Idiot
Full of Sound and Fury
And signifying Nothing

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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:05 UTC

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:04:13 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> MELMOTH avait prétendu :
> > So I just listened again last night to the 5 LB concertos by Gilels/Masur
> > 'Live 1976)...And just now to the symphonies 1 and 6 by Szell (which I hadn't
> > heard in decades by this conductor!)...Of chilling perfection...
>
> Gilels has recorded the body of the 5 concertos 4 times :
>
> - lukewarm water: with Szell
> - hot water : with Ludwig/Vandernoot/Cluytens
> - very hot water : with Sanderling
> - boiling water : with Masur

Are you getting treatment for your burns?
May I reecommend silver sulphadiazine?

dk

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