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Subject: Best all-around conductor in the world 2022 - Vladimir Jurowski
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His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!

b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.

First of three releases.
Jurowski Conducts Stravinsky, Vol. 1 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9364111--jurowski-conducts-stravinsky-vol-1

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:23:48 AM UTC+2, Oscar wrote:
> His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!
>
> b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
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> First of three releases.
> Jurowski Conducts Stravinsky, Vol. 1 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9364111--jurowski-conducts-stravinsky-vol-1

I think you may be on to something here. However, the Rite is from 2008 and the other works from 2018, so they kept it in the vaults for some time.

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:23:48 AM UTC+2, Oscar wrote:
> His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!
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> b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
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You forgot: Great Hair.

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 by: Néstor Castiglione - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:32 UTC

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:23:48 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!
>
> b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
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> First of three releases.
> Jurowski Conducts Stravinsky, Vol. 1 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9364111--jurowski-conducts-stravinsky-vol-1

I hope the future volumes cover Igor's late music too, especially the Variations, Agon, and the Requiem Canticles. It's a good set. Fine performance of the early Symphony in E-flat (originally and optimistically called "No. 1"); a work which, despite its mawkishness, I find very charming. The big ballets (Firebird, The Rite) were solid and hefty, if lacking that final spark audible in the various and sharply contrasting recordings by Muti, Gergiev, Ozawa, Ančerl, Svetlanov, Boulez (Columbia), Levine, Stokowski, and The Great One himself that remind one why otherwise genteel folks were driven to brawl with each other on one fine Parisian evening.

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:32:23 PM UTC+2, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> that remind one why otherwise genteel folks were driven to brawl with each other on one fine Parisian evening.
the reason why people protested at the Sacre premiere had little to do with the music.
people did not like Nijinsky's choreography. That's what the protests were about.

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 by: Néstor Castiglione - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 21:03 UTC

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:56:53 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:32:23 PM UTC+2, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> > that remind one why otherwise genteel folks were driven to brawl with each other on one fine Parisian evening.
> the reason why people protested at the Sacre premiere had little to do with the music.
> people did not like Nijinsky's choreography. That's what the protests were about.

The reason people got rowdy was at least as much because of the music. Taruskin was the one who popularized the notion that it was only the choreography which elicited protest, one of many of his assertions I happen to disagree with.

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On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:23:48 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
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> His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!
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> b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.

How is the number ot children relevant to his art?

dk

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 3:19:03 PM, dan wrote:
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> > b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
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> How is the number ot children relevant to his art?

In this thread we believe:
Black Lives Matter.
Women's rights are human rights.
No human is illegal.
Science is real.
Love is love.
Kindnes is everything.
And a 2 child household is perfect.

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Subject: Re: Best all-around conductor in the world 2022 - Vladimir Jurowski
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 by: Oscar - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 23:37 UTC

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:37:02 AM, Flowsouth8 wrote:
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> I think you may be on to something here. However, the Rite is from 2008 and the other works from 2018,
> so they kept it in the vaults for some time.

Thank you for sharing the info. I have only listened to the music on AppleMusic, and therefore, no notes. Will be buying the CD at the soonest.

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 4:34:26 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 3:19:03 PM, dan wrote:
> > >
> > > b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
> >
> > How is the number ot children relevant to his art?
> In this thread we believe:
> Black Lives Matter.
> Women's rights are human rights.
> No human is illegal.
> Science is real.
> Love is love.
> Kindnes is everything.
> And a 2 child household is perfect.

That probably makes Elon Musk
quite imperfect! ;-)

dk

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:23:48 AM UTC-4, Oscar wrote:
> His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!
>
> b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
>
> First of three releases.
> Jurowski Conducts Stravinsky, Vol. 1 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9364111--jurowski-conducts-stravinsky-vol-1

His first Philadelphia guest appearance - perhaps 15-17 years ago - was the best debut I've seen from a young conductor in my decades of going to P.O. concerts.

It became clear at some point that the two most likely candidates to succeed Dutoit, who was the interim principal conductor for four seasons, were Jurowski and Yannick. If I remember correctly, Jurowski said he wouldn't be available until his LPO commitment was up, and he still had a few years left on his contract. The Orchestra was going through a financial crisis and couldn't wait that long to bring in someone who would put more people in the seats than Dutoit did. So YNS got the job. Initially, I was fine with that. In more recent years, I've changed my mind.

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 11:03:49 PM UTC+2, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:56:53 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:32:23 PM UTC+2, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> > > that remind one why otherwise genteel folks were driven to brawl with each other on one fine Parisian evening.
> > the reason why people protested at the Sacre premiere had little to do with the music.
> > people did not like Nijinsky's choreography. That's what the protests were about.
> The reason people got rowdy was at least as much because of the music. Taruskin was the one who popularized the notion that it was only the choreography which elicited protest, one of many of his assertions I happen to disagree with.

Well, you can disagree, but have you put in the same research?
Or is it just you like the myth that the Sacre's music drove Parisians crazy?
BTW Taruskin wasn't the first to come to this conclusion.
Nijinsky was in over his head and couldn't make the premiere work.
As a choreographer he was basically a one hit boy (Faun).

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On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:29:34 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 11:03:49 PM UTC+2, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:56:53 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:32:23 PM UTC+2, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
> > > > that remind one why otherwise genteel folks were driven to brawl with each other on one fine Parisian evening.
> > > the reason why people protested at the Sacre premiere had little to do with the music.
> > > people did not like Nijinsky's choreography. That's what the protests were about.
> > The reason people got rowdy was at least as much because of the music. Taruskin was the one who popularized the notion that it was only the choreography which elicited protest, one of many of his assertions I happen to disagree with.
> Well, you can disagree, but have you put in the same research?

No. :)

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:20:06 PM UTC-7, Phl Maestro wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:23:48 AM UTC-4, Oscar wrote:
> > His new Stravinsky 2CD on LPO Live is fantastic. This guy!
> >
> > b.1972, Moscow. Resides in Berlin. Two children.
> >
> > First of three releases.
> > Jurowski Conducts Stravinsky, Vol. 1 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9364111--jurowski-conducts-stravinsky-vol-1
> His first Philadelphia guest appearance - perhaps 15-17 years ago - was the best debut I've seen from a young conductor in my decades of going to P.O. concerts.
>
> It became clear at some point that the two most likely candidates to succeed Dutoit, who was the interim principal conductor for four seasons, were Jurowski and Yannick...

Concerning Yannick:

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical/c/0fadhutBu7o

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