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 by: gggg gggg - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 06:06 UTC

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:30:35 PM UTC-7,wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 9:00:00 PM UTC-10, jpas...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Is it true that by the time Beethoven was composing his 9th that he had
> > gone deaf?
> >
> > I would suspect that with a composition like that one evolving in his
> > head, he could have simply quit listening to people.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John in Cancun
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.classical/DLDq4wP-H0I

(2022 Y. upload):

"Why Did Beethoven Write Music He Couldn’t Hear Performed?"

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 by: Herman - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 08:13 UTC

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 7:06:20 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
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> "Why Did Beethoven Write Music He Couldn’t Hear Performed?"

Well, the answer to that question is pretty easy (and twofold): Beethoven wrote music for a living, which is why (for instance) he wrote another finale to the opus 130 quartet, to replace the Grosse Fugue and publish this seperately. One work for the price of two!
And, of course, the other reason why was he was still figuring out creative stuff in his mind, and so he wrote music.
The idea that it is inconceivable and extraordinary that Beethoven wrote music without hearing it in actual eventual form is naive. Mozart did the exact same thing. Mozart never heard his last and greatest symphonies. He didn't need to. He heard them in his head. That's what happens when you're a great composer rather than a guy figuring out stuff on a guitar - there are about fifty guitars in the background in this clip.
Also, I cannot help but wonder at this Beato guy who almost swoons, "Ah beautiful," at what is pretty much a scale. It's great that a guy is addressing a rock audience about Beethoven (he also listens to Bach while emoting for the camera), but maybe he should just enroll in a Music is like Chocolate School and do headbanging classes.

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 08:16 UTC

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 12:13:04 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
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> but maybe he should just enroll in a
> Music is like Chocolate School and
> do headbanging classes.

Is this how you learned to fiddle?

And you should know chocolate
is better than music -- far better!

dk

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