(Y. upload)

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> (Y. upload)

(2023 Y. upload):

"VINYL FINDS - RARE CLASSICAL RECORDS"

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> (Y. upload)

"Classics and Vinyl":

https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:14:39 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > (Y. upload)
> "Classics and Vinyl":
>
> https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos

Stating the obvious, I don't think there is really a market for classical vinyl in the same way there is for reissues of popular music. Or at least if there is, the classical vinyl lovers are too busy just getting the real deal in the form of used LPs instead of paying premium for reissues or new releases. We're the ones who are still buying CDs, for the most part. I see, for instance that Abbado's BPO Mahler 5 is about to get an LP release from DG. That would be really cool to own if it was $6, but at $30+ I'll take any used CD first and look for better bargains.

On 2023-03-16 12:40:16 +0000, mswd...@gmail.com said:

> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:14:39 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:> > (Y. upload)
>> "Classics and Vinyl":>> https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos
>
> Stating the obvious, I don't think there is really a market for
> classical vinyl in the same way there is for reissues of popular music.
> Or at least if there is, the classical vinyl lovers are too busy just
> getting the real deal in the form of used LPs instead of paying premium
> for reissues or new releases. We're the ones who are still buying CDs,
> for the most part. I see, for instance that Abbado's BPO Mahler 5 is
> about to get an LP release from DG. That would be really cool to own if
> it was $6, but at $30+ I'll take any used CD first and look for better
> bargains.

Didn't the SFSO put out a special vinyl set of MTT's Mahler symphonies
way back when he recorded them? Wonder how that sold...

-Owen

P.S. Wonder if they were set up for a "record changer" sequence, or if
you had to keep flipping sides to get the right order.

-O

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-4, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> On 2023-03-16 12:40:16 +0000, mswd...@gmail.com said:
>
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:14:39 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
> >> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:> > (Y.. upload)
> >> "Classics and Vinyl":>> https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos
> >
> > Stating the obvious, I don't think there is really a market for
> > classical vinyl in the same way there is for reissues of popular music.
> > Or at least if there is, the classical vinyl lovers are too busy just
> > getting the real deal in the form of used LPs instead of paying premium
> > for reissues or new releases. We're the ones who are still buying CDs,
> > for the most part. I see, for instance that Abbado's BPO Mahler 5 is
> > about to get an LP release from DG. That would be really cool to own if
> > it was $6, but at $30+ I'll take any used CD first and look for better
> > bargains.
> Didn't the SFSO put out a special vinyl set of MTT's Mahler symphonies
> way back when he recorded them? Wonder how that sold...
>
> -Owen
>
> P.S. Wonder if they were set up for a "record changer" sequence, or if
> you had to keep flipping sides to get the right order.
>
> -O
Oh, wouldn't I also love to know how that SFSO Mahler LP set. But that sort
of information seems to be more closely guarded than White House confidential
documents.

If I recall, Universal also have tried some super-expensive LP sets.

I suspect that anyone buying them are doing it as a speculative investment
they hope will be featured on Antiques Roadshow a few decades from
now.

Jerry

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:01:37 AM UTC+11, Jerry wrote:
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-4, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> > On 2023-03-16 12:40:16 +0000, mswd...@gmail.com said:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:14:39 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
> > >> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:> > (Y. upload)
> > >> "Classics and Vinyl":>> https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos
> > >
> > > Stating the obvious, I don't think there is really a market for
> > > classical vinyl in the same way there is for reissues of popular music.
> > > Or at least if there is, the classical vinyl lovers are too busy just
> > > getting the real deal in the form of used LPs instead of paying premium
> > > for reissues or new releases. We're the ones who are still buying CDs,
> > > for the most part. I see, for instance that Abbado's BPO Mahler 5 is
> > > about to get an LP release from DG. That would be really cool to own if
> > > it was $6, but at $30+ I'll take any used CD first and look for better
> > > bargains.
> > Didn't the SFSO put out a special vinyl set of MTT's Mahler symphonies
> > way back when he recorded them? Wonder how that sold...
> >
> > -Owen
> >
> > P.S. Wonder if they were set up for a "record changer" sequence, or if
> > you had to keep flipping sides to get the right order.
> >
> > -O
> Oh, wouldn't I also love to know how that SFSO Mahler LP set. But that sort
> of information seems to be more closely guarded than White House confidential
> documents.
>
> If I recall, Universal also have tried some super-expensive LP sets.
>
> I suspect that anyone buying them are doing it as a speculative investment
> they hope will be featured on Antiques Roadshow a few decades from
> now.
>
> Jerry

Jerry, why does everybody, um, dislike MTT? Is he some sort of American-born Sir Simon Rattle? Could he be Sir Simon in a different wig? Yes, I agree with you about vinyl, and not just for classical music. In sixty years time, salesmen at audiophile exhibitions will be putting Taylor Swift LPs/EPs/SPs onto the 'beautifully crafted' turntables of their hyper-expensive systems, inviting potential buyers to actually hear the difference between the cerise, mauve and aqua versions of the same song.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On 2023-03-16 22:39:04 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:

> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:01:37 AM UTC+11, Jerry wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-4, Owen Hartnett wrote:>
>> > On 2023-03-16 12:40:16 +0000, mswd...@gmail.com said:> >> > > On
>> Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:14:39 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:> > >>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:> > (Y.
>> upload)> > >> "Classics and Vinyl":>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos> > >> > > Stating the
>> obvious, I don't think there is really a market for> > > classical
>> vinyl in the same way there is for reissues of popular music.> > > Or
>> at least if there is, the classical vinyl lovers are too busy just> > >
>> getting the real deal in the form of used LPs instead of paying
>> premium> > > for reissues or new releases. We're the ones who are still
>> buying CDs,> > > for the most part. I see, for instance that Abbado's
>> BPO Mahler 5 is> > > about to get an LP release from DG. That would be
>> really cool to own if> > > it was $6, but at $30+ I'll take any used CD
>> first and look for better> > > bargains.> > Didn't the SFSO put out a
>> special vinyl set of MTT's Mahler symphonies> > way back when he
>> recorded them? Wonder how that sold...> >> > -Owen> >> > P.S. Wonder if
>> they were set up for a "record changer" sequence, or if> > you had to
>> keep flipping sides to get the right order.> >> > -O
>> Oh, wouldn't I also love to know how that SFSO Mahler LP set. But that
>> sort> of information seems to be more closely guarded than White House
>> confidential> documents.>> If I recall, Universal also have tried some
>> super-expensive LP sets.>> I suspect that anyone buying them are doing
>> it as a speculative investment> they hope will be featured on Antiques
>> Roadshow a few decades from> now.>> Jerry
>
> Jerry, why does everybody, um, dislike MTT? Is he some sort of
> American-born Sir Simon Rattle? Could he be Sir Simon in a different
> wig?

I must confess: I like MTT. Certainly, when he was at Boston, I
thought he was the best there. I enjoyed every concert I heard him
conduct. His Rite of Spring with the BSO is, I think, the best
performance I've heard.

Forgive me RMCR, for I have sinned. I will atone by listening to
Beecham and Guilini and Abbado, and swear off the hated MTT for all
time!

-Owen

P.S. It's easy to atone like this. I've done it thousands of times.

-O

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 8:55:06 AM UTC-5, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> I must confess: I like MTT. Certainly, when he was at Boston, I
> thought he was the best there. I enjoyed every concert I heard him
> conduct. His Rite of Spring with the BSO is, I think, the best
> performance I've heard.
>
> Forgive me RMCR, for I have sinned. I will atone by listening to
> Beecham and Guilini and Abbado, and swear off the hated MTT for all
> time!
>
> -Owen
>
> P.S. It's easy to atone like this. I've done it thousands of times.
>
> -O

MTT is good at what he does, and that is generally not the central german rep. That's pretty much the bottom line, isn't it? In theory his Mahler is worthwhile, though I've never heard any of the SF stuff that really grabbed me. I did like the LSO 3 though.

On 3/17/2023 9:54 AM, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> On 2023-03-16 22:39:04 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:01:37 AM UTC+11, Jerry wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-4, Owen Hartnett wrote:> > On 2023-03-16 12:40:16 +0000, mswd...@gmail.com said:> >> > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:14:39 AM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:> > >> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:06:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:> > (Y. upload)> > >> "Classics and Vinyl":>> https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsAndVinyl/videos> > >> > > Stating the obvious, I don't think there is really a market for> > > classical vinyl in the same way there is for reissues of popular music.> > > Or at least if there is, the classical vinyl lovers are too busy just> > > getting the real deal in the form of used LPs instead of paying premium> > > for reissues or new releases. We're the ones who are still buying CDs,> > > for the most part. I see, for instance that Abbado's BPO Mahler 5 is> > > about to get an LP release from DG. That would be really cool to own if> > > it was $6, but at $30+ I'll take any used CD first and look for better> > > bargains.> >
>>> Didn't the SFSO put out a special vinyl set of MTT's Mahler symphonies> > way back when he recorded them? Wonder how that sold...> >> > -Owen> >> > P.S. Wonder if they were set up for a "record changer" sequence, or if> > you had to keep flipping sides to get the right order.> >> > -O
>>> Oh, wouldn't I also love to know how that SFSO Mahler LP set. But that sort> of information seems to be more closely guarded than White House confidential> documents.>> If I recall, Universal also have tried some super-expensive LP sets.>> I suspect that anyone buying them are doing it as a speculative investment> they hope will be featured on Antiques Roadshow a few decades from> now.>> Jerry
>>
>> Jerry, why does everybody, um, dislike MTT? Is he some sort of American-born Sir Simon Rattle? Could he be Sir Simon in a different wig?
>
> I must confess:  I like MTT.  Certainly, when he was at Boston, I thought he was the best there.  I enjoyed every concert I heard him conduct.  His Rite of Spring with the BSO is, I think, the best performance I've heard.
>
I also appreciate early MTT in Boston especially his Tchaikovsky 1st Symphony, but also his Ives, Ruggles, Debussy, Piston, Prokofiev. Also a 1976 2 CD set of Ruggles recorded in Buffalo. His later recordings didn't affect me like these did.

> Forgive me RMCR, for I have sinned.  I will atone by listening to Beecham and Guilini and Abbado, and swear off the hated MTT for all time!
>
> -Owen
>
> P.S.  It's easy to atone like this.  I've done it thousands of times.
>
> -O
>