I cannot find any evidence anyone did.
If you know of any instances, please
let me know.

TIA

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:40:34 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> I cannot find any evidence anyone did.
> If you know of any instances, please
> let me know.
>
> TIA

Nobody gives a damn about these stupid endless piano competitions.

Why don't you conduct your own research you vile piece of racist shit?

Op zondag 18 december 2022 om 06:40:34 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> I cannot find any evidence anyone did.
> If you know of any instances, please
> let me know.
>
> TIA

Not to my knowledge. Since 1956, only 3 of the QEC finalists played this concerto, including Ousset, and none of them won a prize. Liszt #2 did better.

Henk

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 8:37:39 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zondag 18 december 2022 om 06:40:34 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > I cannot find any evidence anyone did.
> > If you know of any instances, please
> > let me know.
> >
> > TIA
>
> Not to my knowledge.

Thanks!

> Since 1956, only 3 of the QEC finalists

Good to know you've been attending
conerts for at least 66 years! Way to
go. Ad mea ve'esrim!

> played this concerto, including Ousset,

Yes, but the QEC is a different competition.

> and none of them won a prize. Liszt #2
> did better.

Good to know, even though it is too
latte now for me to compete ;-)

I played the Liszt 2 in high school,
and found it easier to play than it
sounds. Brahms 2 is the opposite.

Which piano concerti are the most
popular in the QEC rodeo? Does the
QEC require two concerti in the finals?
Or only one? Can compeitors play any
concertos they like, or are they limited
to prescribed menu?

dk

Op zondag 18 december 2022 om 20:29:11 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

> Which piano concerti are the most
> popular in the QEC rodeo? Does the
> QEC require two concerti in the finals?
> Or only one? Can compeitors play any
> concertos they like, or are they limited
> to prescribed menu?

Candidates play 3 concertos: a Mozart concerto from a list of concertos, a completely new and unknown concerto (only a week to prepare), and a concerto from a list of concertos. The lists help the orchestras to be prepared, more or less, for what is coming.

The 19 winners since 1952 played: Beethoven #4 (1), Brahms #1 (1), Brahms #2 (1), Liszt #1 (1), Liszt #2 (2), Prokofiev #2 (5), Rachmaninoff #3 (5), Tchaikovsky #1 (3).
The 19 last placed finalists: Beethoven #3 (1), Beethoven #5 (2), Brahms #1 (2), Brahms #2 (1), Chopin #1 (2), Rachmaninoff #2 (1), Rachmaninoff #3 (4), Rachmaninoff Rhapsody (1), Schumann (1), Tchaikovsky #1 (4).

Henk

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op zondag 18 december 2022 om 20:29:11 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > Which piano concerti are the most
> > popular in the QEC rodeo? Does the
> > QEC require two concerti in the finals?
> > Or only one? Can compeitors play any
> > concertos they like, or are they limited
> > to prescribed menu?
> Candidates play 3 concertos: a Mozart
> concerto from a list of concertos, a
> completely new and unknown concerto
> (only a week to prepare), and a concerto
> from a list of concertos. The lists help
> the orchestras to be prepared, more or
> less, for what is coming.

Thanks! Sounds like a lot of work.

> The 19 winners since 1952 played: Beethoven #4 (1),
> Brahms #1 (1), Brahms #2 (1), Liszt #1 (1), Liszt #2 (2),
> Prokofiev #2 (5), Rachmaninoff #3 (5), Tchaikovsky #1 (3).

This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
And no Ravel?

> The 19 last placed finalists: Beethoven #3 (1), Beethoven #5 (2),
> Brahms #1 (2), Brahms #2 (1), Chopin #1 (2), Rachmaninoff #2 (1),
> Rachmaninoff #3 (4), Rachmaninoff Rhapsody (1), Schumann (1),
> Tchaikovsky #1 (4).

No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?

dk

Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
..
> This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
> Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
> And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?

Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long. Is there a competition where they may be performed in the final?
I don't recall hearing a Mendelssohn, Grieg or young Mozart. I did hear a Ravel (which the commentators found far too easy for a competition) and a Bartok #3 (which, according to the commentators, caught the judges off guard with a work fairly unknown at the time).

Henk

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:40:53 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> .
> > This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
> > Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
> > And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?
>
> Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long.

Yes indeed. Juries' attention spans tend to be
rather short.

> Is there a competition where they may be
> performed in the final?

I will check. There is a Busoni competition
which I do not usually follow.

dk

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 7:38:04 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:40:53 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > .
> > > This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
> > > Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
> > > And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?
> >
> > Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long.
>
> Yes indeed. Juries' attention spans tend to be
> rather short.
>
> > Is there a competition where they may be
> > performed in the final?
>
> I will check. There is a Busoni competition
> which I do not usually follow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferruccio_Busoni_International_Piano_Competition

https://www.youtube.com/@BusoniInternational

The 64th competition is under way right now.

The finals oflast year's 63rd competition show
the usual: an Emperoar, a Rachmaninov 3, and
a Prokofiev 2.

I find it rather interesting this competition runs
every year. Piano competitions require a lot of
work from the organizers, this is a lot of effort.

dk

On 12/19/2022 10:46 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 7:38:04 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:40:53 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
>>> .
>>>> This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
>>>> Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
>>>> And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?
>>>
>>> Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long.
>>
>> Yes indeed. Juries' attention spans tend to be
>> rather short.
>>
>>> Is there a competition where they may be
>>> performed in the final?
>>
>> I will check. There is a Busoni competition
>> which I do not usually follow.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferruccio_Busoni_International_Piano_Competition
>
> https://www.youtube.com/@BusoniInternational
>
> The 64th competition is under way right now.
>
> The finals oflast year's 63rd competition show
> the usual: an Emperoar, a Rachmaninov 3, and
> a Prokofiev 2.
>
> I find it rather interesting this competition runs
> every year. Piano competitions require a lot of
> work from the organizers, this is a lot of effort.
>
> dk
>

Could it be that they don't have much of anything else do do?

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 8:31:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 12/19/2022 10:46 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 7:38:04 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:40:53 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> >>> Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> >>> .
> >>>> This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
> >>>> Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
> >>>> And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?
> >>>
> >>> Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long.
> >>
> >> Yes indeed. Juries' attention spans tend to be
> >> rather short.
> >>
> >>> Is there a competition where they may be
> >>> performed in the final?
> >>
> >> I will check. There is a Busoni competition
> >> which I do not usually follow.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferruccio_Busoni_International_Piano_Competition
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/@BusoniInternational
> >
> > The 64th competition is under way right now.
> >
> > The finals oflast year's 63rd competition show
> > the usual: an Emperoar, a Rachmaninov 3, and
> > a Prokofiev 2.
> >
> > I find it rather interesting this competition runs
> > every year. Piano competitions require a lot of
> > work from the organizers, this is a lot of effort.
>
> Could it be that they don't have much of anything
> else do do?

Music performance competitions have significant
marketing aspects.

Competitions need an aura of exclusivity to build
and maintain their brands. The Chopin runs once
every 5 years, Bach, Schumann, Tchaikovsky and
Van Cliburn every 4 years, Leeds, Liszt, Rubinstein,
Géza Anda and Hamamatsu every 3 years, Clara
Haskil every 2 years. Which ones are considered
the most prestigious?

Keeping competitions a few years apart makes
them appear more "exclusive", and make their
cachets more valuable. Competitions that are
held every year, e.g. IKIF or CMIM do not get
as much attention. The sweet spot appears
to 4 years +/-1.

Hope this clarifies tha metter.

dk

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 7:38:04 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:40:53 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
>>> .
>>>> This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
>>>> Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
>>>> And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?
>>>
>>> Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long.
>>
>> Yes indeed. Juries' attention spans tend to be
>> rather short.
>>
>>> Is there a competition where they may be
>>> performed in the final?
>>
>> I will check. There is a Busoni competition
>> which I do not usually follow.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferruccio_Busoni_International_Piano_Competition
>
> https://www.youtube.com/@BusoniInternational
>
> The 64th competition is under way right now.
>
> The finals oflast year's 63rd competition show
> the usual: an Emperoar, a Rachmaninov 3, and
> a Prokofiev 2.
>
> I find it rather interesting this competition runs
> every year. Piano competitions require a lot of
> work from the organizers, this is a lot of effort.
>
> dk

I had looked up the competition web page, rules at
https://www.busoni-mahler.eu/competition/en/competition-rules/
The single concerto stage has a long list of the usual suspects,
plus Bartok 2 and Scriabin, but no Busoni. Busoni is required
at the first solo stage of the finals.
--
Al Eisner

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 7:39:32 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 7:38:04 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:40:53 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> >>> Op maandag 19 december 2022 om 05:03:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> >>> .
> >>>> This is quite nteresting. No Mendelssohn,
> >>>> Schumann, Grieg, or second Mozart concerto?
> >>>> And no Ravel? No Bartok, Reger or Busoni?
> >>>
> >>> Busoni and Reger are not on the list. Too long.
> >>
> >> Yes indeed. Juries' attention spans tend to be
> >> rather short.
> >>
> >>> Is there a competition where they may be
> >>> performed in the final?
> >>
> >> I will check. There is a Busoni competition
> >> which I do not usually follow.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferruccio_Busoni_International_Piano_Competition
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/@BusoniInternational
> >
> > The 64th competition is under way right now.
> >
> > The finals oflast year's 63rd competition show
> > the usual: an Emperoar, a Rachmaninov 3, and
> > a Prokofiev 2.
> >
> > I find it rather interesting this competition runs
> > every year. Piano competitions require a lot of
> > work from the organizers, this is a lot of effort.
>
> I had looked up the competition web page, rules at
> https://www.busoni-mahler.eu/competition/en/competition-rules/
> The single concerto stage has a long list of the usual suspects,
> plus Bartok 2 and Scriabin, but no Busoni. Busoni is required
> at the first solo stage of the finals.

Those are solo works. I was wondering why
the Busoni Piano Concerto is not an option
in the final finals.

dk

> Those are solo works. I was wondering why
> the Busoni Piano Concerto is not an option
> in the final finals.
>
> dk

Because it would mean engaging a male chorus

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 10:59:09 PM UTC-8, Christopher Howell wrote:
> > Those are solo works. I was wondering why
> > the Busoni Piano Concerto is not an option
> > in the final finals.
>
> Because it would mean engaging a male chorus
>

Of course! So what? It is also possible to
perform it without voices, or to transcribe
the chorus score for organ, or to use a
recorded chorus. Endless possibilities.

dk