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 by: anim8rfsk - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 14:33 UTC

Nyssa <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net> wrote:
> BTR1701 wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <357442841.639546672.030584.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
>>
>>> This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
>>> Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
>>> numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
>>> high.
>>
>> Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
>> course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
>> so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
>
> I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
> may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
> the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
> stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
> it's by Johnny Williams.
>
> That may have been his first composition for film or
> TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
>
> Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
> 20th century ones
>
> Nyssa,
>

CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several shows, including:
Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they’re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960


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Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>
>>>>>> You’ll find more budgets in the comments
>
>>>>> Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
>>>>> list?
>
>>>> Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
>>>> in the first place. :-)
>
>>>>> Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
>>>>> wrong.
>
>>>> I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
>>>> it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
>
>>> The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
>>> It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.
>
>>> She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
>>> no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.
>
>> Norway is Gene Roddenberry.
>
> Waitaminit. I never read that Roddenberry had cash at risk. Did he?
>
> Maybe Lucy did put up the entire budget.
>
>>> Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.
>
>>> There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
>>> of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
>>> studio.
>
>>> I don't spot any other productions at the end.
>
>> Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
>> I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one.
>
> I recall that the logo changed after Paramount bought out Desilu, but I
> don't recall seeing a Desilu logo on first season Mannix nor Mission:
> Impossible. I'll have to watch for it.
>

Ian‘s wiki on Norway. I have no idea if Roddenberry actually had cash in
the deal but I am told that at one point he owned a third of Star Trek
outright. And offered to sell it for 1 million bucks. And was turned down.
This also says that DesiLu became Paramont halfway through season two of
track which would be halfway through season one of Mannix and mission
impossible. So maybe they did start out with the DesiLu logo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_Corporation?wprov=sfti1

>> And I have long since
>> given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
>> It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
>> wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
>> Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
>> second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
>> wrong.
>
> Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.
>

It spells Desi Lu as two words both capitalized. I have no idea why.

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In article
<86142082.639554377.660109.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
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> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <357442841.639546672.030584.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> > anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
> >
> >> This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
> >> don’t know. I've heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
> >> that high.
> >
> > Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
> > was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
> > ;-)

> It occurs to me you'd probably be interested that La La Land records just
> put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
> will be the John Williams collection.

What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
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> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
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>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <357442841.639546672.030584.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
>>>
>>>> This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
>>>> don’t know. I've heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
>>>> that high.
>>>
>>> Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
>>> was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
>>> ;-)
>
>> It occurs to me you'd probably be interested that La La Land records just
>> put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
>> will be the John Williams collection.
>
> What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)
>

Cool beans

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 23:36 UTC

On 4/8/2021 1:00 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:56:51 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/7/2021 7:47 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/7/2021 5:37 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
>>>>>>>>>>> stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
>>>>>>>>>> she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
>>>>>>>>>> and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
>>>>>>>>>> even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
>>>>>>>>> and she could not stand it any more.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
>>>>>>>>> over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
>>>> producing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If she said that she would have been wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So give me some facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
>>>>>> and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of
>>>>>> Star Trek”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Budget
>>>>>> Season one
>>>>>> $190,000 per episode
>>>>>> Season two
>>>>>> $185,000 per episode
>>>>>> Season three
>>>>>> $175,000 per episode
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
>>>>> have cost at the time?
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
>>>
>>>> MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
>>>> about the cheapest thing on their:
>>>
>>>> https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
>>>
>>> They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
>>>
>>
>> This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
>> don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
>> that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
>> number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
>> and everybody replicates it instantly..
>>
>>>> You’ll find more budgets in the comments
>>>
>>> Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
>>> list?
>>
>> Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
>> in the first place. :-)
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
>> it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
>
> Not a comprehensive list, but "The Lucy Show", "Mannix", and "Mission
> Impossible" were in production at Desilu at that time.

And the "The Untouchables" had just finished production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)

She mentioned in her biography about having to go to New York City every
year to meet the shareholders in Desilu since it was a public company.

Lynn

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On 4/7/2021 9:07 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/7/2021 7:47 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/7/2021 5:37 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
>>>>>> stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
>>>>> she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
>>>>> and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
>>>>> even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
>>>>
>>>> In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
>>>> and she could not stand it any more.
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
>>>>
>>>> She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
>>>> over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>
>>> If she said that she would have been wrong.
>>
>> So give me some facts.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>
> The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
> and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
>
> Budget
> Season one
> $190,000 per episode
> Season two
> $185,000 per episode
> Season three
> $175,000 per episode

I would call those $200,000/episode.

"Lucille Ball is the reason we have 'Star Trek' — here's what happened"
https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7

"It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
performers — overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."

Lynn

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 by: anim8rfsk - Fri, 9 Apr 2021 03:17 UTC

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/7/2021 9:07 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2021 7:47 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/7/2021 5:37 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
>>>>>>> stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
>>>>>> she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
>>>>>> and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
>>>>>> even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
>>>>>
>>>>> In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
>>>>> and she could not stand it any more.
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
>>>>>
>>>>> She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
>>>>> over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If she said that she would have been wrong.
>>>
>>> So give me some facts.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
>> and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
>>
>> Budget
>> Season one
>> $190,000 per episode
>> Season two
>> $185,000 per episode
>> Season three
>> $175,000 per episode
>
> I would call those $200,000/episode.
>

I wouldn’t. And I certainly wouldn’t call them more than $200,000 an
episode.

> “Lucille Ball is the reason we have ‘Star Trek’ — here’s what happened”
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7
>
>
>
> "It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
> Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
> performers —

So she was wrong about that too.

overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."
>
> Lynn
>
>

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