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 by: Mandryka - Mon, 23 Jan 2023 20:21 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan

Just found it.

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 08:59 UTC

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
>
> Just found it.

Definitely one of the finer readings.

IMHO the must hear DDs are:

Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos

Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE

Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0

Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE

Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU

Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM

Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0

Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4

Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.

dk

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 by: HT - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:03 UTC

Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 09:59:45 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> >
> > Just found it.
> Definitely one of the finer readings.
>
> IMHO the must hear DDs are:
>
> Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
>
> Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
>
> Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
>
> Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
>
> Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
>
> Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
>
> Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
>
> Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
>
> Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
>
> Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
>

I second Jacquinot. It's a great version. I'm not a fan of the rest, not even Anda.

Henk

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 by: Mandryka - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:57 UTC

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:03:32 PM UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 09:59:45 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> > >
> > > Just found it.
> > Definitely one of the finer readings.
> >
> > IMHO the must hear DDs are:
> >
> > Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> > and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
> >
> > Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
> >
> > Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
> >
> > Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
> >
> > Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
> >
> > Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
> >
> > Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
> >
> > Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
> >
> > Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
> >
> > Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> > infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> > Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> > Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
> >
> I second Jacquinot. It's a great version. I'm not a fan of the rest, not even Anda.
>
> Henk
What do you make of the old guys, Cortot and Benno for example? I listened to Cortot this morning.

I agree that Jacquinot is fine, by the way.

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 by: Mandryka - Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:59 UTC

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 5:57:17 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:03:32 PM UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 09:59:45 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> > > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> > > >
> > > > Just found it.
> > > Definitely one of the finer readings.
> > >
> > > IMHO the must hear DDs are:
> > >
> > > Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> > > and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
> > >
> > > Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
> > >
> > > Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
> > >
> > > Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
> > >
> > > Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
> > >
> > > Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
> > >
> > > Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
> > >
> > > Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
> > >
> > > Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
> > >
> > > Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> > > infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> > > Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> > > Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
> > >
> > I second Jacquinot. It's a great version. I'm not a fan of the rest, not even Anda.
> >
> > Henk
> What do you make of the old guys, Cortot and Benno for example? I listened to Cortot this morning.
>
> I agree that Jacquinot is fine, by the way.

By the way I've not really listened to the Elisso with the attention it probably deserves, but I can say this: I enjoyed the way she plays the more dreamy dances.

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> What do you make of the old guys, Cortot and Benno for example? I listened to Cortot this morning.

I love Benno, have all his remastered recordings, but his Schumann is often too cumbersome for my taste. Cortot, in all its apparent simplicity, is a delight to listen to. Yet I miss something Jacquinot does have to offer, though I can't put my finger on what it is.

Henk

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On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 3:59:45 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> >
> > Just found it.
> Definitely one of the finer readings.
>
> IMHO the must hear DDs are:
>
> Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
>
> Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
>
> Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
>
> Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
>
> Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
>
> Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
>
> Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
>
> Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
>
> Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
>
> Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
>
> dk

bad piano, don't you hear it???

AB

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Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 19:39:49 UTC+1 schreef AB:

> bad piano, don't you hear it???

That's why we have you!

Henk

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I've listened to Elisso now. It seems tame. Nice but tame. Cortot this morning was more trippy and wild.

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On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 9:57:17 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
>
> What do you make of the old guys,
> Cortot and Benno for example? I
> listened to Cortot this morning.
>

No longer competitive, either
technically, accoustically, or
musically.

If I were only allowed to keep
one, it would be Jacquinot.
Two? Add Ugorsky. Three?
Add Lizé.

dk

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On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:56:56 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 9:57:17 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > What do you make of the old guys,
> > Cortot and Benno for example? I
> > listened to Cortot this morning.
> >
> No longer competitive, either
> technically, accoustically, or
> musically.
>
> If I were only allowed to keep
> one, it would be Jacquinot.
> Two? Add Ugorsky. Three?
> Add Lizé.
>
> dk
Never heard, or even heard of, Lizé -- but she will have to wait. I've gotten into the groove of Nina Milkina playing CPE Bach.

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On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:56:56 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 9:57:17 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you make of the old guys,
> > > Cortot and Benno for example? I
> > > listened to Cortot this morning.
> > >
> > No longer competitive, either
> > technically, accoustically, or
> > musically.
> >
> > If I were only allowed to keep
> > one, it would be Jacquinot.
> > Two? Add Ugorsky. Three?
> > Add Lizé.
>
> Never heard, or even heard of, Lizé --
> but she will have to wait. I've gotten
> into the groove of Nina Milkina playing
> CPE Bach.

Also listen to Annerose Schmidt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUHb4gixpCQ

dk

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On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 1:41:37 PM UTC-5, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 19:39:49 UTC+1 schreef AB:
> > bad piano, don't you hear it???
> That's why we have you!
>
> Henk
0 damn lucky to have me :-)))
but seriously,there is nothing about the recording that is outstanding and for me, the sound of the piano (actually, all instruments), is so important. that is why I so admire ABM. Gould was also demanding about pefectly tuned pianos.........

AB

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 by: HT - Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:51 UTC

Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 19:45:51 UTC+1 schreef AB:

> but seriously,there is nothing about the recording that is outstanding and for me, the sound of the piano (actually, all instruments), is so important. that is why I so admire ABM. Gould was also demanding about pefectly tuned pianos.........

I love the interpretation. It deserved a better-sounding piano and better engineering. Nevertheless, I'm lucky we have it. ABM, Gould, and Zimerman could/can afford to be picky - I don't know if Jacquinot could.

Henk

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 by: Mandryka - Thu, 26 Jan 2023 20:36 UTC

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 8:59:45 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> >
> > Just found it.
> Definitely one of the finer readings.
>
> IMHO the must hear DDs are:
>
> Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
>
> Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
>
> Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
>
> Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
>
> Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
>
> Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
>
> Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
>
> Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
>
> Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
>
> Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
>
> dk

Delphine Lizé is sensitive and creative and original. Such poetry! Much appreciated.

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 by: Mandryka - Thu, 26 Jan 2023 20:39 UTC

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:36:10 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 8:59:45 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> > >
> > > Just found it.
> > Definitely one of the finer readings.
> >
> > IMHO the must hear DDs are:
> >
> > Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> > and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
> >
> > Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
> >
> > Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
> >
> > Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
> >
> > Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
> >
> > Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
> >
> > Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
> >
> > Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
> >
> > Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
> >
> > Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> > infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> > Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> > Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
> >
> > dk
> Delphine Lizé is sensitive and creative and original. Such poetry! Much appreciated.
Any Balanchine fans here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK_9EZ3uh-k&ab_channel=JohnClifford

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> Any Balanchine fans here?
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very much so; the greatest choreographer of the 20th C.

this is a rather late piece. all star cast.

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:02:26 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:39:43 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > Any Balanchine fans here?
> >
> very much so; the greatest choreographer of the 20th C.
>
> this is a rather late piece. all star cast.

It's a long time ago I saw DBT in the theatre, however, the two female solos are absolutely stunning in ideas and execution:
Suzanne Farrell: 23:25
Karin von Aroldingen: 27:29

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:16:36 PM UTC, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:02:26 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:39:43 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > >
> > > Any Balanchine fans here?
> > >
> > very much so; the greatest choreographer of the 20th C.
> >
> > this is a rather late piece. all star cast.
> It's a long time ago I saw DBT in the theatre, however, the two female solos are absolutely stunning in ideas and execution:
> Suzanne Farrell: 23:25
> Karin von Aroldingen: 27:29

And Karin Von Aroldingen again with Adam Luders at around 31:25. The dance by Adam Luders just before that is wonderfully staged, with those shadowy figures.

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:37:52 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:

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The dance by Adam Luders just before that is wonderfully staged, with those shadowy figures.

The critics... It's a bit hammy, imo, and reminiscent of the much earlier Prodigal Son ballet.

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:56:10 PM UTC, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:37:52 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
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> >
> The dance by Adam Luders just before that is wonderfully staged, with those shadowy figures.
> The critics... It's a bit hammy, imo, and reminiscent of the much earlier Prodigal Son ballet.

It makes me think of something in Bergman, but I'm not sure what -- something in Fanny and Alexander I think, a shadow play. It's a long long time since I last watched anything by Bergman!

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 by: Mandryka - Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:01 UTC

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:36:10 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 8:59:45 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jZm3pOIsg&ab_channel=AramHarutyunyan
> > >
> > > Just found it.
> > Definitely one of the finer readings.
> >
> > IMHO the must hear DDs are:
> >
> > Gieseking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUJhHttK_dM
> > and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry4fQAGGos
> >
> > Thierry de Brunhoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlx5jME78tE
> >
> > Dino Ciani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-kK43bBlA0
> >
> > Geza Anda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvOhzLlWac
> >
> > Fabienne Jacquinot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPP7h6pQnE
> >
> > Anatol Ugorsky: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU
> >
> > Catherine Collard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfEyYFdenM
> >
> > Radu Lupu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc98YOw2Sk0
> >
> > Delphine Lizé: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5QfieLPJ4
> >
> > Why so many? DD is a kaleidoscopic work that allows almost
> > infinitely many different takes, more so than any other of the
> > Schumann cycles. If I had to pick just one it would be
> > Fabienne Jacquinot's 1988 recording linked to above.
> >
> > dk
> Delphine Lizé is sensitive and creative and original. Such poetry! Much appreciated.
But somehow it's hard for me to stay with it to the end. Maybe there's not enough relief, enough variety. But still, glad to have discovered it.

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 2:51:33 PM UTC-5, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 19:45:51 UTC+1 schreef AB:
> > but seriously,there is nothing about the recording that is outstanding and for me, the sound of the piano (actually, all instruments), is so important. that is why I so admire ABM. Gould was also demanding about pefectly tuned pianos.........
> I love the interpretation. It deserved a better-sounding piano and better engineering. Nevertheless, I'm lucky we have it. ABM, Gould, and Zimerman could/can afford to be picky - I don't know if Jacquinot could.
>
> Henk

yes, that is a problem for less well known pianists but at times even Rubenstein recorded on bad pianos.......

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Op vrijdag 27 januari 2023 om 19:30:25 UTC+1 schreef AB:

> yes, that is a problem for less well known pianists but at times even Rubenstein recorded on bad pianos.......

It's known that not all pianists care. As an abbé in Rome, Liszt didn't even try to get a decent piano. Rubinstein may have been too much a man of the world to be troubled by details.

Henk

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On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:37:52 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
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> It's known that not all pianists care.
> As an abbé in Rome, Liszt didn't
> even try to get a decent piano.

Did he at least try to
get a decent nun ?!?

dk

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