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by: MELMOTH - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 08:24 UTC

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/087995-001-A/orphee-aux-enfers/

Delightful!...Jubilant!...What a staging!...
LONG LIVE FRANCE!...

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by: Andrew Clarke - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:46 UTC

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 7:24:57 PM UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/087995-001-A/orphee-aux-enfers/
>
> Delightful!...Jubilant!...What a staging!...
> LONG LIVE FRANCE!...

"Cette video n'est pas disponible dans votre pays." Sadly, a large percentage of videos from Arte Concert cannot be seen in Australia, presumably for contractual reasons. It is all very frustrating. I shall have to make do with Natalie Dessay and Laurent Naouri. Vive la France, mort aux CGT etc.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra
who remembers the anti-Jupp'e demonstrations under Chirac and was also very glad when 1999 turned into 2000 because it made dates in French a whole lot easier ....

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by: Mandryka - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:21 UTC

"Compositeurs français - Quatre siècles de musique française de Lully à Ravel." N'importe quoi, quid de Barraqué et de Machaut? De toute façon c'est pas accessible à Londres.

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by: Dan Koren - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:07 UTC

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 7:24:57 PM UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:
> > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/087995-001-A/orphee-aux-enfers/
> >
> > Delightful!...Jubilant!...What a staging!...
> > LONG LIVE FRANCE!...
>
> "Cette video n'est pas disponible dans votre pays." Sadly, a large percentage of
> videos from Arte Concert cannot be seen in Australia, presumably for contractual
> reasons. It is all very frustrating. I shall have to make do with Natalie Dessay and
> Laurent Naouri. Vive la France, mort aux CGT etc.

Trivial problem easily solved. VPN yourself anywhere suitable.

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by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 31 Jan 2023 05:17 UTC

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:07:40 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 7:24:57 PM UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/087995-001-A/orphee-aux-enfers/
> > >
> > > Delightful!...Jubilant!...What a staging!...
> > > LONG LIVE FRANCE!...
> >
> > "Cette video n'est pas disponible dans votre pays." Sadly, a large percentage of
> > videos from Arte Concert cannot be seen in Australia, presumably for contractual
> > reasons. It is all very frustrating. I shall have to make do with Natalie Dessay and
> > Laurent Naouri. Vive la France, mort aux CGT etc.
> Trivial problem easily solved. VPN yourself anywhere suitable.
>
> dk

Major problem. The Arte website was created by Alexandre and Julien of Bona Pagailles. The video of Lakme, which I was briefly able to access, is now marked as unavailable in my country even though my VPN is using a server in Paris. Some videos you can chromecast to your television, some you cannot, the latter being problematic when it comes to family viewing. Some videos you can download to the storage card on your phone, but so far I have been unable to find any files I have supposedly downloaded ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 31 Jan 2023 05:21 UTC

Malheureusement ce video 'n'est pas disponible a ce moment', selon Arte, meme par VPN ...

Amicalement,

Andrew Clarke
rosbif australien

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by: Dan Koren - Tue, 31 Jan 2023 05:58 UTC

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:07:40 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 7:24:57 PM UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/087995-001-A/orphee-aux-enfers/
> > > >
> > > > Delightful!...Jubilant!...What a staging!...
> > > > LONG LIVE FRANCE!...
> > >
> > > "Cette video n'est pas disponible dans votre pays." Sadly, a large percentage of
> > > videos from Arte Concert cannot be seen in Australia, presumably for contractual
> > > reasons. It is all very frustrating. I shall have to make do with Natalie Dessay and
> > > Laurent Naouri. Vive la France, mort aux CGT etc.
> > Trivial problem easily solved. VPN yourself anywhere suitable.
>
> Major problem. The Arte website was created by Alexandre and Julien of Bona Pagailles.
> The video of Lakme, which I was briefly able to access, is now marked as unavailable in
> my country even though my VPN is using a server in Paris.

Then one has to resort to a double VPN. NordVPN supports this feature.

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by: Andrew Clarke - Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:01 UTC

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:58:23 PM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:07:40 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 7:24:57 PM UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/087995-001-A/orphee-aux-enfers/
> > > > >
> > > > > Delightful!...Jubilant!...What a staging!...
> > > > > LONG LIVE FRANCE!...
> > > >
> > > > "Cette video n'est pas disponible dans votre pays." Sadly, a large percentage of
> > > > videos from Arte Concert cannot be seen in Australia, presumably for contractual
> > > > reasons. It is all very frustrating. I shall have to make do with Natalie Dessay and
> > > > Laurent Naouri. Vive la France, mort aux CGT etc.
> > > Trivial problem easily solved. VPN yourself anywhere suitable.
> >
> > Major problem. The Arte website was created by Alexandre and Julien of Bona Pagailles.
> > The video of Lakme, which I was briefly able to access, is now marked as unavailable in
> > my country even though my VPN is using a server in Paris.
> Then one has to resort to a double VPN. NordVPN supports this feature.
>
> dk

Fortunately I have been able to install NordVPM on my Google Library/Chromecast device which means I don't have to worry as much about casting from my phone to the TV. So I've just been able to watch Lakhme with Sab and Raph, and very, very good it is too. Sadly, Arte is still telling me that Orphee dans les Enfers is'n available right now, although I can find it if I copy and paste the URL Melmoth posted into a browser. The whole thing is more than a little unpredictable, sadly, because there are some great things there. I shall have another go at trying to download those programmes that are downloadable ... except that I just have tried and this time I can't find the "Download" links, rogntudjuuuuuuuuu!

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Grande reussite! j'ai telecharg'ee le bidule NordVPN sur mon ordinateur Fenetres Onze, et "Orpheo aux enfers" marche, et quant a mois, je suis aux pommes. Lea Desandre est partout maintenant .... Malheureusement, chez Android, le bidule encore ne marche pas pour cette realisation.

Amicalement,

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Actually, France and Germany because the dialogues are in German while the arias are in French: the Arte subtitles are in French only, and I could not find any English subtitles. The production was by self-proclaimed gay Jewish kangaroo Barrie Kotsky, and quite a lot of this very German Expressionist production resembles a performance of "Lulu" into which bits of "Orphee aux enfers" have been spliced for comic effect ....

I think, Melmoth, that this performance is not meant to be visible on Arte, which is not known for keeping videos available for a few months and this production originally appeared at the Salzberg Festival in 2019. This would explain why the Arte search engine said that it wasn't available. Perhaps it got stuck in a cache somewhere?

But yes, brilliantly done.

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by: Andrew Clarke - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 12:51 UTC

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:21:09 AM UTC+11, Mandryka wrote:
> "Compositeurs français - Quatre siècles de musique française de Lully à Ravel." N'importe quoi, quid de Barraqué et de Machaut? De toute façon c'est pas accessible à Londres.

C'est plus la, malheureusement. Il faut un VPN pour regarder la plupart d'Arte Concert. J'ai install'e NordVPN pour employer un server a Paris. Pour Lakme etc, sans probleme avec VPN. Autrement, ca ne marche pas.

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by: Andrew Clarke - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:26 UTC

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:51:28 PM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:21:09 AM UTC+11, Mandryka wrote:
> > "Compositeurs français - Quatre siècles de musique française de Lully à Ravel." N'importe quoi, quid de Barraqué et de Machaut? De toute façon c'est pas accessible à Londres.
> C'est plus la, malheureusement. Il faut un VPN pour regarder la plupart d'Arte Concert. J'ai install'e NordVPN pour employer un server a Paris. Pour Lakme etc, sans probleme avec VPN. Autrement, ca ne marche pas.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

And now Orphee dans les Enfers / Orpheus in der Unterwelt have turned up on Arte, as has the list of Compositeurs français, but only if I use my Windows desktop or laptop. It remains irretrievable through the Android app..

I do recommend Lakme.

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> I do recommend Lakme.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTG9oinUOGE

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTG9oinUOGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzR1_nYESvE

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On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:26:15 PM UTC-8, andrewc wrote:
> I do recommend Lakme.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Delibes it or not!

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by: Andrew Clarke - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 03:30 UTC

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:51:41 AM UTC+11, number_six wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:26:15 PM UTC-8, andrewc wrote:
> > I do recommend Lakme.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> Delibes it or not!

Croreme is a hundred times better (I think) ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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by: number_six - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 05:06 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:51:41 AM UTC+11, number_six wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:26:15 PM UTC-8, andrewc wrote:
> > > I do recommend Lakme.
> > >
> > > Andrew Clarke
> > > Canberra
> > Delibes it or not!
> Croreme is a hundred times better (I think) ...
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra
Huh??
Well Lakme up and throw away the key.

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On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 9:06:14 PM UTC-8, number_six wrote:
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> Well Lakme up and throw away the key.

Looking for ways to be
alone with a coloratura?

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by: Andrew Clarke - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:44 UTC

On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:06:14 PM UTC+11, number_six wrote:
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:51:41 AM UTC+11, number_six wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:26:15 PM UTC-8, andrewc wrote:
> > > > I do recommend Lakme.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Clarke
> > > > Canberra
> > > Delibes it or not!
> > Croreme is a hundred times better (I think) ...
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> Huh??
> Well Lakme up and throw away the key.

1 crore (10 million) = 100 lakh (10, 000) in the Indian numbering system, I think but I often get muddled.

Hey lakh me over, lend me an ear ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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by: Andrew Clarke - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:47 UTC

On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 4:45:53 PM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 9:06:14 PM UTC-8, number_six wrote:
> >
> > Well Lakme up and throw away the key.
> Looking for ways to be
> alone with a coloratura?
>
> dk

In point of fact, Lakme (Sabine Devieilhe) arrives in a sort of cage in the production now showing in Arte. As I said, well worth watching.

Her name rhymes with "ale" I've just discovered ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Mandryka
Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke
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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Dan Koren
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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke
Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	number_six
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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke
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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke
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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke
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Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke
Re: HELL AND DAMNATION...	Andrew Clarke