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* Le Figaro on young conductorsAndrew Clarke
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|   `* Re: Le Figaro on young conductorsAndrew Clarke
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|     `- Re: Le Figaro on young conductorsvhorowitz
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 `- Re: Le Figaro on young conductorsAndrew Clarke

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Subject: Re: Le Figaro on young conductors
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 by: Marc S - Sun, 29 Jan 2023 08:52 UTC

dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2023 um 09:45:06 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:37:54 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2023 um 08:27:34 UTC+1:
> > > On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:03:20 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The ma non troppo refers to both
> > > > I guess, "allegro" and "energico".
> > > Nope. It only refers to "Allegro". It
> > > reads like this:
> > > (Allegro (energico ma non troppo))
> > >
> > > "Energico" and "ma non troppo"
> > > both qualify "Allegro". Spend
> > > some time on the other side
> > > of the Alps and try to forget
> > > German.
> >
> > You are ofc wrong again. No wonder,
> > coming from a guy who has more
> > issues with people liking German
> > composers, than with people - like
> > Andy - propagating antisemitic
> > sentiments.
> >
> > It reads "Allegro energico, ma non troppo"
> "ma non troppo" still qualifies only
> "Allegro", regardless of the comma.
> You just don't understand Romance
> languages.
>
> dk

Certainly I am not going to take your words for it, you gambled away your credibility long ago.

Believe whatever your deluded mind wants to believe, just as that Andy is a "nice guy" - hahaha.

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 29 Jan 2023 09:27 UTC

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:53:01 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2023 um 09:45:06 UTC+1:
> > On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:37:54 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It reads "Allegro energico, ma non troppo"
> > "ma non troppo" still qualifies only
> > "Allegro", regardless of the comma.
> > You just don't understand Romance
> > languages.
>
> Certainly I am not going to take your
> words for it, you gambled away your
> credibility long ago. Believe whatever
> your deluded mind wants to believe,

What an idiot asshole you are! I speak
Romanian, Italian, French and Spanish.

Imbecile kraut.

dk

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 by: MELMOTH - Sun, 29 Jan 2023 09:52 UTC

Dan Koren a formulé la demande :
> Imbecile kraut.

This moronic is long gone to join ggggg in my manure pit !...

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 29 Jan 2023 09:53 UTC

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:52:21 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:
> Dan Koren a formulé la demande :
>
> > Imbecile kraut.
>
> This moronic is long gone to
> join ggggg in my manure pit !...

You don't want him
to contaminate your
precious escargots!

dk

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On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:47:52 AM UTC-6, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 17:27:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:35:00 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 15:18:38 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:18:40 AM UTC-8, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure I understand what the
> > > > > Cleveland's "culture of lyrical perfection"
> > > > > means either: perhaps you had to be
> > > > > there at the time?
> > > > >
> > > > Perfectly polished dry sound. The
> > > > Cleveland has always been the
> > > > dryest sounding of the "Big 5".
> > > > dk
> > >
> > > Partly because of Severance Hall, and CBS close miking. However, I always regarded the sound as among the best of its time, and of course Szell was a master conductor.
> > >
> > > "In 1958, at the prompting of music director George Szell, an acoustical redesign of the hall was undertaken. To make the auditorium more resonant, the original proscenium and blue velvet curtains were removed and the use of carpet was reduced to a minimum. On the stage, a permanent acoustical shell was built — affectionately known as “The Szell Shell” — which consisted of thick wooden walls formed in a series of convex curves. To make the walls less absorbent and more reflective of sound, they were filled with sand. The result was a more vibrant-sounding space which complemented the Orchestra’s tone under Szell's direction.", as per Wiki.
> > >
> > > The old "Szell Shell" has since been replaced by another newer shell, and maybe those close to its home can further inform us.
> > >
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > So the Hard Szell has been replaced by the Soft Szell? But where does the "lyrical perfection" come in?
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
> Szell never messed with the music, and was highly precisional, but this never meant that he didn't phrase passages. He was aided by an orchestra built to be precise. There are few today remotely in his class.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Szell "messed" with the orchestration of Schumann symphonies big time, particularly the 2nd. I can’t stand it, even though I enjoy a great number of his other performances.

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dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2023 um 10:27:12 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:53:01 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2023 um 09:45:06 UTC+1:
> > > On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:37:54 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It reads "Allegro energico, ma non troppo"
> > > "ma non troppo" still qualifies only
> > > "Allegro", regardless of the comma.
> > > You just don't understand Romance
> > > languages.
> >
> > Certainly I am not going to take your
> > words for it, you gambled away your
> > credibility long ago. Believe whatever
> > your deluded mind wants to believe,
> What an idiot asshole you are! I speak
> Romanian, Italian, French and Spanish.
>
> Imbecile kraut.
>
> dk

Firstly, it wouldn't matter if you spoke those languages as you don't even understand english.

Secondly, I don't believe that you speak those languages at all.

Good morning, my chaver

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On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:09:33 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> Firstly, it wouldn't matter if you spoke those
> languages as you don't even understand english.
> Secondly, I don't believe that you speak those
> languages at all.

Brainfucked imbcile Nazi, I WAS BORN IN
ROMANIA! You dare tell me I don't speak
Romanian?!? Furthermore, Romanian is
so close to Italian and Spanish that most
native Romanian speakers can pick up
Italian and Spanish in a few weeks,
which I did.

You are really a rotten SS EXCREMENT!

dk

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Guess what this topic is about.
Yet again the mouth-foaming racist and his ego self-aggrandizement.

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On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:22:28 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
>
> Guess what this topic is about.
> Yet again the mouth-foaming
> racist and his ego self-aggrandizement.

You must be referring to Marc S.
while looking in the mirror.

dk

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dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 30. Januar 2023 um 07:44:17 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:09:33 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Firstly, it wouldn't matter if you spoke those
> > languages as you don't even understand english.
> > Secondly, I don't believe that you speak those
> > languages at all.
> Brainfucked imbcile Nazi, I WAS BORN IN
> ROMANIA! You dare tell me I don't speak
> Romanian?!? Furthermore, Romanian is
> so close to Italian and Spanish that most
> native Romanian speakers can pick up
> Italian and Spanish in a few weeks,
> which I did.
>
> You are really a rotten SS EXCREMENT!
>
> dk

You don't only speak no Romanian; you don't understand English, you know nothing about Israel and you haven't learned shit from the past, calling everyone and their mother a Nazi. You are completely irreverent.

Your pettiness reminds me very much of the idiot Ben-Gurion (who I acknowledge achieved some things, but in general he was an idiot).

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 08:01 UTC

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:57:51 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> Your pettiness reminds me very much of the idiot Ben-Gurion

This shows exactly how much you know about Israel.
Ben-Gurion an idiot and Netanyahu a genius savior?

You are bigotted retarded brainfucked imbecile kraut!

dk

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On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:45:38 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:22:28 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> >
> > Guess what this topic is about.
> > Yet again the mouth-foaming
> > racist and his ego self-aggrandizement.
> You must be referring to Marc S.

you two mirror each other perfectly.

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 08:14 UTC

Herman schrieb am Montag, 30. Januar 2023 um 09:03:25 UTC+1:
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:45:38 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:22:28 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> > >
> > > Guess what this topic is about.
> > > Yet again the mouth-foaming
> > > racist and his ego self-aggrandizement.
> > You must be referring to Marc S.
> you two mirror each other perfectly.

Believe whatever you want to believe in your deluded mind.

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 08:31 UTC

dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 30. Januar 2023 um 09:01:27 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:57:51 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Your pettiness reminds me very much of the idiot Ben-Gurion
> This shows exactly how much you know about Israel.
> Ben-Gurion an idiot and Netanyahu a genius savior?

Actually this shows exactly how much you know about Israel: nada.

Netanyahu came way after Ben-Gurion, Ben-Gurion's rivals were Jabotinsky and Begin.

- Ben-Gurion, the guy who instructed the Israeli Air Force to sink "Altalena"; one of the pilots who refused to follow the idiot's orders said the following to the idiot: "You can kiss my foot. I did not lose four friends and fly 10,000 miles in order to bomb Jews."

- Ben-Gurion who called Menachem Begin "Vladimir Hitler"

- Ben-Gurion who obstructed the reburial of Jabotinsky from NY to Jerusalem.. Levi Eshkol (a very underrated israeli politician) revised Ben-Gurion's mistake.

- Ben-Gurion who did countless other stupid things; while Jabotinsky and Menachem Begin were always or 99% of the times right when they had any disagreements (with Gurion) over matters.

Begin to Ben-Gurion:

"I rejected few of your viewpoints, and I opposed things you did or ordered to do before and after the establishment of Israel. And when I look back at those days, I'm convinced that my opinion about those things was correct and justified."

And I'm with Begin here.

>
> You are bigotted retarded brainfucked imbecile kraut!
>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:43 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 30. Januar 2023 um 09:31:11 UTC+1:
> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 30. Januar 2023 um 09:01:27 UTC+1:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:57:51 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > Your pettiness reminds me very much of the idiot Ben-Gurion
> > This shows exactly how much you know about Israel.
> > Ben-Gurion an idiot and Netanyahu a genius savior?
> Actually this shows exactly how much you know about Israel: nada.
>
> Netanyahu came way after Ben-Gurion, Ben-Gurion's rivals were Jabotinsky and Begin.
>
> - Ben-Gurion, the guy who instructed the Israeli Air Force to sink "Altalena"; one of the pilots who refused to follow the idiot's orders said the following to the idiot: "You can kiss my foot. I did not lose four friends and fly 10,000 miles in order to bomb Jews."

*Forgot to add that Ben-Gurion in the end ordered the shelling of Altalena.

>
> - Ben-Gurion who called Menachem Begin "Vladimir Hitler"

*I meant to say Jabotinsky instead of Begin; Ben-Gurion called Jabotinsky "Vladimir Hitler" (and I think, if I remember correctly, he also compared Begin to Hitler).

As is the case with idiots (such as with Dan and Ben-Gurion), when they don't have arguments, they accuse others of being Nazis or even Hitler.

>
> - Ben-Gurion who obstructed the reburial of Jabotinsky from NY to Jerusalem. Levi Eshkol (a very underrated israeli politician) revised Ben-Gurion's mistake.
>
> - Ben-Gurion who did countless other stupid things; while Jabotinsky and Menachem Begin were always or 99% of the times right when they had any disagreements (with Gurion) over matters.
>
> Begin to Ben-Gurion:
>
> "I rejected few of your viewpoints, and I opposed things you did or ordered to do before and after the establishment of Israel. And when I look back at those days, I'm convinced that my opinion about those things was correct and justified."
>
> And I'm with Begin here.
> >
> > You are bigotted retarded brainfucked imbecile kraut!
> >
> > dk

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