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by: Dan Koren - Wed, 1 Feb 2023 23:31 UTC

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
>
> stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?

I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.

I am interested in performances that are
different, individual and unique. Pletnev
is one of very few pianists on stage who
produce uniquely individual, arresting
performances of every work they touch.

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by: AB - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 18:15 UTC

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
> >
> > stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?
> I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
>
> I am interested in performances that are
> different, individual and unique. Pletnev
> is one of very few pianists on stage who
> produce uniquely individual, arresting
> performances of every work they touch.
>
> dk

in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.

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by: AB - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 18:25 UTC

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:59:21 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 1:52 PM, Herman wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:15:33 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
> >>
> >> in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
> >>
> > it's the way older performers become parodies of themselves.
> Are there performers who were "mannered" when young and outgrew it

no..........thye would never win competitions.........

Sophie Mutter is another example IMO

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by: Mandryka - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:15 UTC

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
> > >
> > > stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?
> > I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
> >
> > I am interested in performances that are
> > different, individual and unique. Pletnev
> > is one of very few pianists on stage who
> > produce uniquely individual, arresting
> > performances of every work they touch.
> >
> > dk
> in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
>
> AB

One person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.

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by: Mandryka - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:21 UTC

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 8:59:21 PM UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 1:52 PM, Herman wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:15:33 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
> >>
> >> in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
> >>
> > it's the way older performers become parodies of themselves.
> Are there performers who were "mannered" when young and outgrew it?

Sofronitsky Chopin -- I preferred him when he was individual and unique, less in the later recordings.
Cziffra was more individual and unique earlier -- prefer the earlier.
I think Savall in viol music -- or maybe he just found a new way of being individual and unique - like both

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Op donderdag 2 februari 2023 om 21:59:21 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

> Are there performers who were "mannered" when young and outgrew it?

Most didn't make a career, even if they did well in competitions. Orchestras don't welcome soloists who need more rehearsal time unless they are already famous.

Henk

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by: AB - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 23:14 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:15:16 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
> > > >
> > > > stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?
> > > I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
> > >
> > > I am interested in performances that are
> > > different, individual and unique. Pletnev
> > > is one of very few pianists on stage who
> > > produce uniquely individual, arresting
> > > performances of every work they touch.
> > >
> > > dk
> > in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
> >
> > AB
> One person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.

not complaining,,,,,,,,,,,,,stating a fact that is obvious to a trained musician

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by: Herman - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 02:45 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:15:16 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
> > > >
> > > > stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?
> > > I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
> > >
> > > I am interested in performances that are
> > > different, individual and unique. Pletnev
> > > is one of very few pianists on stage who
> > > produce uniquely individual, arresting
> > > performances of every work they touch.
> > >
> > > dk
> > in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
> >
> > AB
> One person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.

It all the depends on this little piece having an almost cult-like status, like a couple of lateish Chopin pieces, a sort of pianiophile's ragdoll, and playing it in a special way then.

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by: Mandryka - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 04:27 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:14:19 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:15:16 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
> > > > >
> > > > > stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?
> > > > I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in performances that are
> > > > different, individual and unique. Pletnev
> > > > is one of very few pianists on stage who
> > > > produce uniquely individual, arresting
> > > > performances of every work they touch.
> > > >
> > > > dk
> > > in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
> > >
> > > AB
> > One person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.
> not complaining,,,,,,,,,,,,,stating a fact that is obvious to a trained musician
>
> AB

Pletnev is a trained musician.

Subject	Author
More Pletnev magic	Dan Koren
Re: More Pletnev magic	AB
Re: More Pletnev magic	Dan Koren
Re: More Pletnev magic	AB
Re: More Pletnev magic	Herman
Re: More Pletnev magic	Frank Berger
Re: More Pletnev magic	AB
Re: More Pletnev magic	Herman
Re: More Pletnev magic	Mandryka
Re: More Pletnev magic	HT
Re: More Pletnev magic	Mandryka
Re: More Pletnev magic	AB
Re: More Pletnev magic	Mandryka
Re: More Pletnev magic	Herman