On 5/13/2021 6:11 AM, Whisper wrote:
> On 13/05/2021 4:00 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote on 13/5/21 4:22 am:
>>> Since the Universe is obviously infinite, dimensionally ( and also in
>>> time ), however small the probability, there are still likely an
>>> infinite number of planets with intelligent life.
>>>
>>> BUT, due to the vast interstellar distances, the chance of meaningful
>>> interaction with others is essentially 0 .
>>>
>>> No, we've never been visited by aliens, aren't being visited now, and
>>> never will be.
>>>
>> Have you ever been called "A One-Trick Pony"??
>
>
> But he's right.  This newsgroup is full of fantasists who really think
> we'll travel among the stars one day and interact with intelligent
> aliens.  Absolutely ludicrous.
>
> We'd never survive even 1% of the journey to another star.  Humans
> aren't built for interstellar travel.  And yes there are many aliens out
> there, but the distances make it impossible to ever meet them.

Ahhh, but the distances do not necessarily make it
impossible for us to ever see/hear/receive a clear
message from them.

That would be a humanity changing time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque#:~:text=The%20Pioneer%20plaques%20are%20a,intercepted%20by%20intelligent%20extraterrestrial%20life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence

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>
>Ahhh, but the distances do not necessarily make it
>impossible for us to ever see/hear/receive a clear
>message from them.

Possibly, but the vast distances still prohibit any kind of a usual
two way exchange.

On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>
>> Ahhh, but the distances do not necessarily make it
>> impossible for us to ever see/hear/receive a clear
>> message from them.
>
> Possibly, but the vast distances still prohibit any kind of a usual
> two way exchange.
>
Why in the world are you even thinking of
"a usual two way exchange" ?

If we receive a clear unambiguous message from
some alien advanced life, it will take us years
to digest and analyze that fact.

Human life will be changed by just that fact.

On 14/05/2021 11:47 pm, a425couple wrote:
> On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahhh, but the distances do not necessarily make it
>>> impossible for us to ever see/hear/receive a clear
>>> message from them.
>>
>> Possibly, but the vast distances still prohibit any kind of a usual
>> two way exchange.
>>
> Why in the world are you even thinking of
> "a usual two way exchange" ?
>
> If we receive a clear unambiguous message from
> some alien advanced life, it will take us years
> to digest and analyze that fact.
>
> Human life will be changed by just that fact.
>
>
>

Most humans are too dumb to grasp the size of the universe. If they did
they'd soon realize we will never make contact with anything as they are
too far away.

On 14/05/2021 08.47, a425couple wrote:
> On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahhh, but the distances do not necessarily make it
>>> impossible for us to ever see/hear/receive a clear
>>> message from them.
>>
>> Possibly, but the vast distances still prohibit any kind of a usual
>> two way exchange.
>>
> Why in the world are you even thinking of
> "a usual two way exchange" ?

Asimov's "My Son, the Physicist" provides a much better solution.
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62430>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Son,_the_Physicist>

> If we receive a clear unambiguous message from
> some alien advanced life, it will take us years
> to digest and analyze that fact.
>
> Human life will be changed by just that fact.

Yeah, that too.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Deuteronomy 10:18-19

Whisper wrote:
> On 14/05/2021 11:47 pm, a425couple wrote:
>> On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ahhh, but the distances do not necessarily make it
>>>> impossible for us to ever see/hear/receive a clear
>>>> message from them.
>>>
>>> Possibly, but the vast distances still prohibit any kind of a usual
>>> two way exchange.
>>>
>> Why in the world are you even thinking of
>> "a usual two way exchange" ?
>>
>> If we receive a clear unambiguous message from
>> some alien advanced life, it will take us years
>> to digest and analyze that fact.
>>
>> Human life will be changed by just that fact.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Most humans are too dumb to grasp the size of the universe. If they did
> they'd soon realize we will never make contact with anything as they are
> too far away.

Did you ever stop to think that the aliens were already here and LEFT,
totally disgusted.
And that they don't have any interest in talking to us. So they are not
answering their phone.

On 15/05/2021 9:25 am, Bast wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>> On 14/05/2021 11:47 pm, a425couple wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Most humans are too dumb to grasp the size of the universe. If they did
>> they'd soon realize we will never make contact with anything as they are
>> too far away.
>
>
>
>
>
> Did you ever stop to think that the aliens were already here and LEFT,
> totally disgusted.

No evidence.

> And that they don't have any interest in talking to us. So they are not
> answering their phone.
>
>

Too far away, can't be done.

On 15/05/2021 1:47 am, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 14/05/2021 08.47, a425couple wrote:
>>
>> Human life will be changed by just that fact.
>
> Yeah, that too.
>
>

Only for a short period, until novelty wears off. Just like when we 1st
confirmed there were real exoplanets in 1995 so not just theory.

Whisper wrote:
> On 15/05/2021 9:25 am, Bast wrote:
>> Whisper wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2021 11:47 pm, a425couple wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most humans are too dumb to grasp the size of the universe. If they
>>> did they'd soon realize we will never make contact with anything as
>>> they are too far away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you ever stop to think that the aliens were already here and LEFT,
>> totally disgusted.
>
>
> No evidence.
>
>
>
>> And that they don't have any interest in talking to us. So they are
>> not answering their phone.
>>
>>
>
> Too far away, can't be done.

50 years ago if someone told you that you could get into an argument in real
time on something called an "internet" with people scattered anywhere in
the world.
Your answer would have been..........."No evidence" "Too far away, can't be
done"

On 15/05/2021 7:47 pm, Bast wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>> On 15/05/2021 9:25 am, Bast wrote:
>>> Whisper wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2021 11:47 pm, a425couple wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/2021 2:59 PM, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most humans are too dumb to grasp the size of the universe. If they
>>>> did they'd soon realize we will never make contact with anything as
>>>> they are too far away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you ever stop to think that the aliens were already here and LEFT,
>>> totally disgusted.
>>
>>
>> No evidence.
>>
>>
>>
>>> And that they don't have any interest in talking to us. So they are
>>> not answering their phone.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Too far away, can't be done.
>
>
>
>
> 50 years ago if someone told you that you could get into an argument in real
> time on something called an "internet" with people scattered anywhere in
> the world.
> Your answer would have been..........."No evidence" "Too far away, can't be
> done"
>
>

Bit of a difference between boosting the existing telephone system and
traveling to stars or finding aliens.

Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.

<casagiannoni@optimum.net> wrote in message
news:jr20ag5j6p6nrnpsf9ms5357sg9vnpra6d@4ax.com...
> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.

casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.

You mean,......SO FAR
It was not that long ago the same thought about being impossible was said
about beng able to travel at speeds of over 30 miles per hour......
Until it happened.

If I have missed the point that some people willl always refuse to believe
that limits are only something thet has not been figured out yet, then you
are right.

Wait until we discover that light actually can travel faster than "C", and
it's medium is actually the "stuff" we now wrongly call "dark matter".

On 16/05/2021 2:55 pm, Bast wrote:
> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
>> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
>> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
>> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.
>
>
>
>
> You mean,......SO FAR
> It was not that long ago the same thought about being impossible was said
> about beng able to travel at speeds of over 30 miles per hour......
> Until it happened.
>
> If I have missed the point that some people willl always refuse to believe
> that limits are only something thet has not been figured out yet, then you
> are right.
>
> Wait until we discover that light actually can travel faster than "C", and
> it's medium is actually the "stuff" we now wrongly call "dark matter".
>
>

Not everything we can imagine is possible. Sorry.

Bast wrote on 16/5/21 2:55 pm:
> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
>> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
>> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
>> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.
>
> You mean,......SO FAR
> It was not that long ago the same thought about being impossible was said
> about beng able to travel at speeds of over 30 miles per hour......
> Until it happened.

I seem to remember, way back when, learning that people were to walk out
in front of stage-coaches with a lite lantern. So that limited the
coaches to, what, 5 m.p.h.!
>
> If I have missed the point that some people willl always refuse to believe
> that limits are only something thet has not been figured out yet, then you
> are right.
>
> Wait until we discover that light actually can travel faster than "C", and
> it's medium is actually the "stuff" we now wrongly call "dark matter".

--
Daniel

On 15/05/2021 23.55, Bast wrote:
> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
>> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
>> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
>> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.
>
>
> You mean,......SO FAR
> It was not that long ago the same thought about being impossible was said
> about beng able to travel at speeds of over 30 miles per hour......

Was that said by physicists, or by newspaper writers?

--
Michael F. Stemper
Exodus 22:21

On 16/05/2021 09:20, Daniel65 wrote:
> Bast wrote on 16/5/21 2:55 pm:
>> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
>>> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
>>> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
>>> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.
>>
>> You mean,......SO FAR
>> It was not that long ago the same thought about being impossible was said
>> about beng able to travel at speeds of over 30 miles per hour......
>> Until it happened.
>
> I seem to remember, way back when, learning that people were to walk out
> in front of stage-coaches with a lite lantern. So that limited the
> coaches to, what, 5 m.p.h.!

Not stagecoaches, but early motor cars, which in the early days had to
be preceded by a man walking with a red flag (so I have heard). It
might be worth noting that in fact, there were many people killed or
injured by horse-drawn carriages and wagons back when these were running
rampant in our cities. No red-flag men.

Nobel Prize winner Pierre Curie was killed when he was run over by a
horse-drawn cart in Paris.

>>
>> If I have missed the point that some people willl always refuse to
>> believe
>> that limits are only something thet has not been figured out yet, then
>> you
>> are right.
>>
>> Wait until we discover that light actually can travel faster than "C",
>> and
>> it's medium is actually the "stuff" we now wrongly call "dark matter".
>

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Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 15/05/2021 23.55, Bast wrote:
>> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be missed,
>>> that distances are FAR too great for any practical travel between
>>> stars, even in the very unlikely event of traveling near light speed,
>>> or of any communications. All experience so far has confirmed this.
>>
>>
>> You mean,......SO FAR
>> It was not that long ago the same thought about being impossible was
>> said about beng able to travel at speeds of over 30 miles per
>> hour......
>
> Was that said by physicists, or by newspaper writers?

Probably by the physicists. After they went to their doctors to get bled
with leeches to let out the bad ether gasses that made people sick.

We laugh at the past .
Just like hundreds of years from now people will laugh at how stupid society
would have been to think a thin cloth mask would keep them from getting
sick from a KOOF Virus, as they walked though the forests, miles from any
other human,......or as they drive in their cars on highways with the
windows up.

Michael Dworetsky wrote on 18/5/21 12:51 am:
> On 16/05/2021 09:20, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Bast wrote on 16/5/21 2:55 pm:
>>> casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>> Amazing how the whole point of this thread continues to be
>>>> missed, that distances are FAR too great for any practical
>>>> travel between stars, even in the very unlikely event of
>>>> traveling near light speed, or of any communications. All
>>>> experience so far has confirmed this.
>>>
>>> You mean,......SO FAR It was not that long ago the same thought
>>> about being impossible was said about beng able to travel at
>>> speeds of over 30 miles per hour...... Until it happened.
>>
>> I seem to remember, way back when, learning that people were to
>> walk out in front of stage-coaches with a lite lantern. So that
>> limited the coaches to, what, 5 m.p.h.!
>
> Not stagecoaches, but early motor cars, which in the early days had
> to be preceded by a man walking with a red flag (so I have heard).

My mistake!! I did think of it being in front of cars .... but a walking
man just seemed toooooooo slow!! ;-P

> It might be worth noting that in fact, there were many people killed
> or injured by horse-drawn carriages and wagons back when these were
> running rampant in our cities. No red-flag men.
>
> Nobel Prize winner Pierre Curie was killed when he was run over by a
> horse-drawn cart in Paris.
>>>
>>> If I have missed the point that some people willl always refuse
>>> to believe that limits are only something thet has not been
>>> figured out yet, then you are right.
>>>
>>> Wait until we discover that light actually can travel faster than
>>> "C", and it's medium is actually the "stuff" we now wrongly call
>>> "dark matter"
--
Daniel