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 by: Marc S - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 21:11 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 22:03:56 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> >
> > Tom was acerbic at times, and he did not suffer fools gladly.
> > He was strangely duped by the Hatto thing, just like a couple
> > of other pianophiles. I liked talking to him. His leaving RMCR
> > was part of its decline. A life well-spent, RIP, Tom.
> The "Hatto thing" was indeed a fascinating phenomenon. It
> was made possible by so many people not really listening
> to music when they thought they were listening. Hearing
> can be easily disrupted by other senses, and distorted
> by pre-conceived notions and by shared belief systems.

Preach somewhere else. This thread is not about your "wisdom". This is an obituary thread for an antisemite, is it not?

>
> dk

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:

> You mean you liked hating on Israel with him?

I rarely ever participate in politcal topics, and certainly not on Israel or the Middle East. I just don't have anything to add.

You seem to be as unaware as a baby how utterly disgraceful your act on this RIP topic is.

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 by: Marc S - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 21:32 UTC

Herman schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 22:22:02 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
>
> > You mean you liked hating on Israel with him?
> I rarely ever participate in politcal topics, and certainly not on Israel or the Middle East. I just don't have anything to add.

I think you were on every thread Tom Deacon created about Israel. Are you senile?

You obviously had sth to add something here:

Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014 um 20:03:14 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:55:15 PM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote:
> >
> > If you deny Israel's
> >
> > right to defend itself under these circumstances you are advocating the
> >
> > deaths of several million Jews. Let's be clear about that.
> Try looking at this in a less hysterical way. You'll feel better, perhaps..
>
> Up till now the ones who are doing big time killing are the Israelis.
>
> There's even a chance if they'd stop killing people, no one would get hurt. Just a wild guess.

So according to you (who says that he has "little" to add), Israel is doing "big time killing" and if the Israelis would stop "killing people", noone would get hurt (factually you have hurled quite a big accusation at israel, adding quite a lot, with the little you have said).

Quite obvious that you are an antisemite.

>
> You seem to be as unaware as a baby how utterly disgraceful your act on this RIP topic is.

I think you are the one who is "unaware as a baby" on how utterly disgraceful you are as a human being, pure trash; go promote your antisemitic sentiments somewhere else.

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 by: James Goodzeit - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 21:47 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/10/2023 3:16 PM, James Goodzeit wrote:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:17:35 AM UTC-5, Marc S wrote:
> >> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 10:14:41 UTC+1:
> >>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >>>> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 09:59:02 UTC+1:
> >>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:45:22 AM UTC-8, Steven de Mena wrote:
> >>>>>> From Tom's Facebook Page yesterday:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Tom Deacon
> >>>>>> 10h
> >>>>>> ·
> >>>>>> I am Tom’s partner, Stuart. As you all know Tom has been
> >>>>>> mostly absent from Facebook for many months due to his
> >>>>>> declining health. Some of you I have already contacted but
> >>>>>> my contact information is incomplete.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am sorry to have to tell you that Tom died on Sunday morning
> >>>>>> February 5.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He had been in hospital since mid December. His health
> >>>>>> had been declining over the past six months and declined
> >>>>>> rapidly in the last month.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you should need to contact me, my email address is:
> >>>>>> swbhen...@mac.com"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Very to sorry to hear! RIP!
> >>>>
> >>>> Grieving over an unrepentent antisemite...
> >>>> yet calling Menachem Begin "dreck" and
> >>>> Netanyahu "Putin"
> >>> Tom Deacon contributed far more to
> >>> music than Putin, Begin, or Netanyahu.
> >>> Remember this ng is about music?
> >>>
> >>> dk
> >> We all know you have no principles. Have fun grieving over an antisemite.
> >
> > While Tom could be unpleasant and was an ardent anti-Zionist, whenever we hear a right-winger accuse >someone of anti-Semitism, it is more often than not a confession.
> Yes, we know there are no anti-semites, only anti-Zionists.

I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest. I never said or suggested anything like that. Anti-Semites and Anti-Zionists are overlapping circles, nothing more, nothing less.

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James Goodzeit schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 22:47:10 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 2/10/2023 3:16 PM, James Goodzeit wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:17:35 AM UTC-5, Marc S wrote:
> > >> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 10:14:41 UTC+1:
> > >>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > >>>> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 09:59:02 UTC+1:
> > >>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:45:22 AM UTC-8, Steven de Mena wrote:
> > >>>>>> From Tom's Facebook Page yesterday:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "Tom Deacon
> > >>>>>> 10h
> > >>>>>> ·
> > >>>>>> I am Tom’s partner, Stuart. As you all know Tom has been
> > >>>>>> mostly absent from Facebook for many months due to his
> > >>>>>> declining health. Some of you I have already contacted but
> > >>>>>> my contact information is incomplete.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am sorry to have to tell you that Tom died on Sunday morning
> > >>>>>> February 5.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> He had been in hospital since mid December. His health
> > >>>>>> had been declining over the past six months and declined
> > >>>>>> rapidly in the last month.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If you should need to contact me, my email address is:
> > >>>>>> swbhen...@mac.com"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Very to sorry to hear! RIP!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Grieving over an unrepentent antisemite...
> > >>>> yet calling Menachem Begin "dreck" and
> > >>>> Netanyahu "Putin"
> > >>> Tom Deacon contributed far more to
> > >>> music than Putin, Begin, or Netanyahu.
> > >>> Remember this ng is about music?
> > >>>
> > >>> dk
> > >> We all know you have no principles. Have fun grieving over an antisemite.
> > >
> > > While Tom could be unpleasant and was an ardent anti-Zionist, whenever we hear a right-winger accuse >someone of anti-Semitism, it is more often than not a confession.
> > Yes, we know there are no anti-semites, only anti-Zionists.
> I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest. I never said or suggested anything like that. Anti-Semites and Anti-Zionists are overlapping circles, nothing more, nothing less.

Could it be that you are the one who is dishonest? You are talking similarly to how Nazis talked about jews "I never met a jew who was not intellectually dishonest".

Crazy guy you are. Get your inferiority complex treated please.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-8, James Goodzeit wrote:
>
> I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest.
>

How could they? Did they have "intellect"? I ask the question .....

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 23:00:44 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-8, James Goodzeit wrote:
> >
> > I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest.
> >
> How could they? Did they have "intellect"? I ask the question .....

As if you had any to tell... you have the mindset of a fascist.

>
> dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 23:00:44 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-8, James Goodzeit wrote:
> >
> > I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest.
> >
> How could they? Did they have "intellect"? I ask the question .....
>
> dk

I have one question, do your "condolences" - a simple "RIP" - come really from the heart, or is it just a hypocritical gesture? ...I ask the question...

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On 2023-02-10 09:49:01 +0000, HT said:

> I'm very sorry to hear this. His Great Pianists of the Century was
> quite an achievement. He knew the industry's ins and outs. He was one
> of the really informative members of RMCR. May he rest in peace.
>

I'll echo Henk's statement. TD was one of the more tendentious members
here and liked to mix it up. GPOTC was his crowning glory, even if it
wasn't perfect. RIP Tom.

-Owen

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:00:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-8, James Goodzeit wrote:
> >
> > I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest.
> >
> How could they? Did they have "intellect"? I ask the question .....
>
> dk

Good point, the large majority of them barely have a high school education, but there is an assortment of grifters who are able to find their way into positions of power, influence, or wealth through their wits and not having a conscience to impede their ambition. But you may question whether these purported conservatives actually have any fixed ideology, conservative or otherwise, since they clearly lack a moral compass.

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 by: Marc S - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 22:44 UTC

James Goodzeit schrieb am Freitag, 10. Februar 2023 um 23:34:53 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:00:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-8, James Goodzeit wrote:
> > >
> > > I never met a conservative who was not intellectually dishonest.
> > >
> > How could they? Did they have "intellect"? I ask the question .....
> >
> > dk
> Good point, the large majority of them barely have a high school education, but there is an assortment of grifters who are able to find their way into positions of power, influence, or wealth through their wits and not having a conscience to impede their ambition. But you may question whether these purported conservatives actually have any fixed ideology, conservative or otherwise, since they clearly lack a moral compass.

What a bitter old man you are... this ng seems to be full of them...

Only people who clearly lack a moral compass (and intellect btw) would say such things as that "all conservatives I met have been intellectually dishonest". Fuck off.

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 by: Pluted Pup - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 02:22 UTC

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:03:52 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> >
> > Tom was acerbic at times, and he did not suffer fools gladly.
> > He was strangely duped by the Hatto thing, just like a couple
> > of other pianophiles. I liked talking to him. His leaving RMCR
> > was part of its decline. A life well-spent, RIP, Tom.
>
> The "Hatto thing" was indeed a fascinating phenomenon. It
> was made possible by so many people not really listening
> to music when they thought they were listening. Hearing
> can be easily disrupted by other senses, and distorted
> by pre-conceived notions and by shared belief systems.

So "many people"? Hatto discs were sold as a "hard to get"
item, so only the few who bought directly from the producer
ever heard them, and there was quite a long time before
*any* of the public heard them, we only heard the hype.
When the CDs started being sold by actual retailers like
MDT the Hatto Hoax collapsed.

I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
marketing of music. There are music companies serious
about selling their music and then there are hokesters
who play "hard to get" games.

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 02:29 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 6:22:49 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:03:52 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> > >
> > > Tom was acerbic at times, and he did not suffer fools gladly.
> > > He was strangely duped by the Hatto thing, just like a couple
> > > of other pianophiles. I liked talking to him. His leaving RMCR
> > > was part of its decline. A life well-spent, RIP, Tom.
> >
> > The "Hatto thing" was indeed a fascinating phenomenon. It
> > was made possible by so many people not really listening
> > to music when they thought they were listening. Hearing
> > can be easily disrupted by other senses, and distorted
> > by pre-conceived notions and by shared belief systems.
>
> So "many people"? Hatto discs were sold as a "hard to get"

They were easily available on Amazon. In what cave were
you living at the time ?!?

> item, so only the few who bought directly from the producer
> ever heard them, and there was quite a long time before
> *any* of the public heard them, we only heard the hype.
> When the CDs started being sold by actual retailers like
> MDT the Hatto Hoax collapsed.

See above.

> I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> who play "hard to get" games.

Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
box as "special editions" and took reservations far
ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
to replace those grey cells.

dk

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 by: Pluted Pup - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 02:59 UTC

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 18:29:27 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 6:22:49 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:03:52 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tom was acerbic at times, and he did not suffer fools gladly.
> > > > He was strangely duped by the Hatto thing, just like a couple
> > > > of other pianophiles. I liked talking to him. His leaving RMCR
> > > > was part of its decline. A life well-spent, RIP, Tom.
> > >
> > > The "Hatto thing" was indeed a fascinating phenomenon. It
> > > was made possible by so many people not really listening
> > > to music when they thought they were listening. Hearing
> > > can be easily disrupted by other senses, and distorted
> > > by pre-conceived notions and by shared belief systems.
> >
> > So "many people"? Hatto discs were sold as a "hard to get"
>
> They were easily available on Amazon. In what cave were
> you living at the time ?!?

Hatto discs were not sold on Amazon before the Hatto
hoax collapsed, as far as I know. If so, that would
be even more to my point, that the scam thrived when
it was circulated in the handful to music reviewers
to post purple praise about Hatto and it was only when
they became listenable to the public that the hoax
collapsed.

For a while Hatto CDs were of the "I've got something
you don't have!" type of bragging among a few reviewers
"lucky" to have such good connections with BC, the
producer.

>
> > item, so only the few who bought directly from the producer
> > ever heard them, and there was quite a long time before
> > *any* of the public heard them, we only heard the hype.
> > When the CDs started being sold by actual retailers like
> > MDT the Hatto Hoax collapsed.
>
> See above.
>
> > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > who play "hard to get" games.
>
> Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> to replace those grey cells.
>
> dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:04 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 6:59:58 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 18:29:27 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 6:22:49 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:03:52 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:37:34 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom was acerbic at times, and he did not suffer fools gladly.
> > > > > He was strangely duped by the Hatto thing, just like a couple
> > > > > of other pianophiles. I liked talking to him. His leaving RMCR
> > > > > was part of its decline. A life well-spent, RIP, Tom.
> > > >
> > > > The "Hatto thing" was indeed a fascinating phenomenon. It
> > > > was made possible by so many people not really listening
> > > > to music when they thought they were listening. Hearing
> > > > can be easily disrupted by other senses, and distorted
> > > > by pre-conceived notions and by shared belief systems.
> > >
> > > So "many people"? Hatto discs were sold as a "hard to get"
> >
> > They were easily available on Amazon. In what cave were
> > you living at the time ?!?
>
> Hatto discs were not sold on Amazon before the Hatto
> hoax collapsed, as far as I know. If so, that would

You just don't know. I bought them from Amazon.
They were EASILY available. Amazon is not just
Amazon US. There is Amazon CA, Amazon UK,
Amazon DE, Amazon FR and Amazon JP. And
many more nowadays. Where do you live?
Please provide a complete cave address! ;-)

dk

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 by: Pluted Pup - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:06 UTC

> > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > who play "hard to get" games.
>
> Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> to replace those grey cells.

No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
it from generating too many sales?

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On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 4:06:19 AM UTC+1, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > > who play "hard to get" games.
> >
> > Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> > box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> > ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> > to replace those grey cells.
> No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
> does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
> it from generating too many sales?

most of what DK says is counterfactual bullshit.
he's been living in a cave for decades.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > > who play "hard to get" games.
> >
> > Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> > box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> > ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> > to replace those grey cells.
>
> No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
> does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
> it from generating too many sales?

You need to take your pills on time as prescribed.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:16 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:09:21 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 4:06:19 AM UTC+1, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > > > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > > > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > > > who play "hard to get" games.
> > >
> > > Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> > > box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> > > ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> > > to replace those grey cells.
> >
> > No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
> > does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
> > it from generating too many sales?
>
> most of what DK says is counterfactual bullshit.
> he's been living in a cave for decades.

This is your standard kneejerk reaction. I will file
a harassment complaint with the prefecture and
request your fiddling license should be revoked.

dk

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 by: Notsure01 - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:17 UTC

I was mostly a lurker years ago when Tom was active - so I never had the
opportunity to interact with him - but I have also missed his positive
contributions to the group. One thing he shared with all of us is a
passionate appreciation of music - something that is all too rare.

It's true that in addition to his anti-Zionism he liked to insult Tepper
and particularly Richard Loeb so his prejudices were very blatant.

But I have many of the GPOC volumes and really enjoy them, and I seem to
recall that Tom said he was a key person in the creation of the great
Philips Duo series - perhaps a progenitor of today's mega-boxes?

So, with all his faults, Tom will be missed!

(And by the way, I have just been listening to Varese Arcana and somehow
it reminds me of the squabbling going on in recent threads - I'd have to
say that the percussion wins - in the music at least...)

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 by: Pluted Pup - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:20 UTC

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 19:09:19 -0800, Herman wrote:

> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 4:06:19 AM UTC+1, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > > > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > > > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > > > who play "hard to get" games.
> > >
> > > Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> > > box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> > > ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> > > to replace those grey cells.
> > No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
> > does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
> > it from generating too many sales?
>
> most of what DK says is counterfactual bullshit.
> he's been living in a cave for decades.

Perhaps. I remember the Hatto CDs as a scarce item,
that only gradually became more available. Once
ordinary people could hear them instead of just
reviewers is when they were exposed as fakes.

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 by: Pluted Pup - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:23 UTC

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 19:14:07 -0800, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > > > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > > > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > > > who play "hard to get" games.
> > >
> > > Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> > > box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> > > ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> > > to replace those grey cells.
> >
> > No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
> > does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
> > it from generating too many sales?
>
> You need to take your pills on time as prescribed.

Your Insult Generator has been consuming too much
fuel, upgrade to the more environmentally friendly
Hybrid model.

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 03:37 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 19:09:19 -0800, Herman wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 4:06:19 AM UTC+1, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > > I take this as a lesson to beware of "hard to get"
> > > > > marketing of music. There are music companies serious
> > > > > about selling their music and then there are hokesters
> > > > > who play "hard to get" games.
> > > >
> > > > Remember Philips marketed GPOC and the Richter
> > > > box as "special editions" and took reservations far
> > > > ahead of the actual release date? Maybe you need
> > > > to replace those grey cells.
> > >
> > > No, I don't remember that. Did they do what Sony
> > > does now, immediately delete the item to prevent
> > > it from generating too many sales?
> >
> > most of what DK says is counterfactual bullshit.
> > he's been living in a cave for decades.
>
> Perhaps. I remember the Hatto CDs as a scarce item,
> that only gradually became more available. Once
> ordinary people could hear them instead of just
> reviewers is when they were exposed as fakes.

Do you buy your facts from the same station
where you buy your gas ?!?

The discovery of the fraud had little if anything to
do with "ordinary people" -- unless one includes
musicologists among "ordinary people". Check
the Wikipedia:

"In May 2005 the musicologist Marc-André Roberge
reported on the Yahoo! Godowsky group[24] that, in
Hatto's version of the Chopin-Godowsky Studies on
the Concert Artist label, a misreading of a chord
was identical to one on the Carlo Grante recording
(AIR-CD-9092, released 1993)".

"When Brian Ventura, a financial analyst from Mount
Vernon, New York, put the recording of Liszt's
Transcendental Études credited to Hatto into his
computer the Gracenote database used by the
iTunes software identified the disc, not as a
recording by Hatto, but as one by László Simon".

Neither of the above are or were "ordinary people",
and neither were Jed Distler or Andrew Rose. They
are highly experienced, extensively trained in music
and recording technologies.

You are on the other hand an ordinary moron,
and you deserver every insult one can imagine.

dk

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:17:05 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
>
> But I have many of the GPOC volumes and really enjoy them,
> and I seem to recall that Tom said he was a key person in the
> creation of the great Philips Duo series - perhaps a progenitor
> of today's mega-boxes?
>

Tom was for many years Philips' manager/director of piano
productions (I don't remember the exact title), and thus had
a great deal of influence over Philips' pianist roster and its
piano recording productions. He was was also responsible
for Philips' inability to ever sign up top tier pianists.

He did not invent the mega-boxes, there had been plenty of
them before GPOC, e.g. DG/Archiv's complete Bach box or
Philips' complete Mozart box.

GPOC was a remarkable achievement for two main reasons:

1) it also included recordings that did not belong to Philips;
2) It included a significant number of Russian school pianists
whose recordings were not easily available in the West at
that time.

On the flip side, GPOC included a number of pianists who
would not have understood "greatness" if they stepped in
it. On balance however, GPOC was a positive contribution
to piano recordings, if for no other reason it provided easy
accessibility in a single package to recordings not otherwise
available. One can of course quibble with both the contents
and the ommissions.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:17 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:24:02 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
>
> Your Insult Generator has been consuming too much
> fuel, upgrade to the more environmentally friendly
> Hybrid model.

My insult generator is powered by Thorium.
It will never run out. Did I mention I am a
physicist by training? (even though I spent
most of my career in computers).

dk


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