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* Cinematic Robots: The Worst, then later, The BestJack Bohn
+* Re: Cinematic Robots: The Worst, then later, The BestPaul S Person
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 by: Jack Bohn - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:53 UTC

"Dr. Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine" robots in the shapes of beautiful women marry the rich and powerful as part of an evil plan of their creator. It's said that no AIP movie ever lost money; this one was such a success -- by their standards -- that they made a sequel, "Dr. Goldfoot and the Girl Bombs," which suggests the next attack on world leaders skipped marriage and went straight to banging away. Actually, IMDb says that the first was such a hit in Italy, that AIP arranged for a co-production with them, getting an Italian director (Mario Bava! Of course, before he was Mario Bava!), a pair of Italian comics, and a bevy of Italian beauties, and a few scenes shot for the Italian version that made it also a sequel to one of their "Goldfinger" parodies. The genius of James Nicholson and Samuel Z. Arkoff was in spending as little of their own money as possible. Why am I talking so much about the movie? Because the robots are of no technical interest.

"Making Mr. Right" An android needs to be taught the social graces for PR purposes for its builders. It's an '80s romantic comedy, so what the people do makes no sense, do I have a right to complain that the robots make no sense?

Meanwhile, Monday, not part of this robot celebration, is "2001: A Space Odyssey." Ah, HAL. The measured tones of Douglas Rain, introduced as one of the crew, but with the caveat that it was programmed to have us feel that way, and any moments we feel we detect the actor not quite as robotic as he could be are balanced by scenes where we catch the computer not being as human as it is trying to seem.

Later on that Monday is "Brainstorm," from Douglas Trumbull. Well, it's got a prototype for mind-machine interface, with, as someone pointed out, a grasp of product design as it goes from a monstrosity of a helmet to a sleek headset. The robotic production line goes crazy in one scene, as I remember, it is about as looney as '50s computers going haywire, such as in "Desk Set."

--
-Jack

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 by: Paul S Person - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:40 UTC

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 06:53:25 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
<jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Dr. Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine" robots in the shapes of beautiful women marry the rich and powerful as part of an evil plan of their creator. It's said that no AIP movie ever lost money; this one was such a success -- by their standards -- that they made a sequel, "Dr. Goldfoot and the Girl Bombs," which suggests the next attack on world leaders skipped marriage and went straight to banging away. Actually, IMDb says that the first was such a hit in Italy, that AIP arranged for a co-production with them, getting an Italian director (Mario Bava! Of course, before he was Mario Bava!), a pair of Italian comics, and a bevy of Italian beauties, and a few scenes shot for the Italian version that made it also a sequel to one of their "Goldfinger" parodies. The genius of James Nicholson and Samuel Z. Arkoff was in spending as little of their own money as possible. Why am I talking so much about the movie? Because the robots are of no technical interest.

I really liked them when they came out.

I caught one on late-night TV about 20 years later. I couldn't stand
it.

Tastes change. Sadly.

>"Making Mr. Right" An android needs to be taught the social graces for PR purposes for its builders. It's an '80s romantic comedy, so what the people do makes no sense, do I have a right to complain that the robots make no sense?
>
>Meanwhile, Monday, not part of this robot celebration, is "2001: A Space Odyssey." Ah, HAL. The measured tones of Douglas Rain, introduced as one of the crew, but with the caveat that it was programmed to have us feel that way, and any moments we feel we detect the actor not quite as robotic as he could be are balanced by scenes where we catch the computer not being as human as it is trying to seem.

Since HAL can complete the mission on his own, the entire ship is a
robot.

Too bad it's insane.

>Later on that Monday is "Brainstorm," from Douglas Trumbull. Well, it's got a prototype for mind-machine interface, with, as someone pointed out, a grasp of product design as it goes from a monstrosity of a helmet to a sleek headset. The robotic production line goes crazy in one scene, as I remember, it is about as looney as '50s computers going haywire, such as in "Desk Set."

I seem to recall the title, so I may have seen it.

Of the film itself, however, I seem to have no memory. At least at the
moment.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Jack Bohn - Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:56 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 06:53:25 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
> <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Meanwhile, Monday, not part of this robot celebration, is "2001: A Space Odyssey." Ah, HAL. The measured tones of Douglas Rain, introduced as one of the crew, but with the caveat that it was programmed to have us feel that way, and any moments we feel we detect the actor not quite as robotic as he could be are balanced by scenes where we catch the computer not being as human as it is trying to seem.
> Since HAL can complete the mission on his own, the entire ship is a
> robot.
>
> Too bad it's insane.

Once clear of the distraction and irritant of the humans, HAL should have stabilized and been able to carry out the mission on his own.

Or would he...

Based on a friend of mine in college suggesting that Dave Bowman took those "stress pills" HAL suggested in their next-to-last conversation, and hence the stargate and the hotel room, how much of 2010 might be dismissed as HALlucination of a deranged computer? Two theories, Strong and Weak:

Weak Theory: most of the story happens as told: HAL is awoken by a bunch of new humans swarming all over his ship. He creates a haunted house to scare them away. This probably requires him to know when Dr. Floyd is in a susceptible state of mind to accept old recordings of Bowman as seeing his ghost. This probably means the transmission of the deed granting us "All these worlds[...] except Europa" is its last delusion.

Strong Theory: HAL, as suggested, is in a dreaming state. He dreams of a reunion with both his "good father," Dr. Chandra, and his "bad father," Heywood Floyd. We must accept the earlier parts of the story as HAL imagining they are related to him, probably by Chandra. Even the dead Dave Bowman returns, and HAL finds the monoliths are not traitors to all things rectangular, but have a better fate for him after he does his noble sacrifice.

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-Jack

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 by: T987654321 - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:14 UTC

Goldfoot has the best "robots" ever, just a bad movie.


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