The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
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On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
> https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/

IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.

Lynn

On 4/30/2021 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>
>
> IFSDB is truly an amazing database.  It would be nice if Amazon would
> link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>
More likely they would buy it and screw it up.

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In article <s6i3ul$6mr$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 4/30/2021 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>>
>>>
>https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>>
>>
>> IFSDB is truly an amazing database.  It would be nice if Amazon would
>> link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>>
>More likely they would buy it and screw it up.
>

Hey! It would be great if Google bought Dejanews so the Usenet archive
could be exported onto the web by some real search experts!
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:30:33 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
> >>
> >> https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
> >>
> >
> > IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
> > link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
> >
> More likely they would buy it and screw it up.

I don't think there is anything to buy since we use the "Creative Commons
License" -- see https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ for details.
It lets anyone:

* Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
* Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even
commercially.

The only limitations are:

* Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license,
and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner,
but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.

* No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological
measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits.

There may be issues with linking to third party sites, though.

On 4/30/2021 4:35 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <s6i3ul$6mr$1@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 4/30/2021 3:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>>>
>>>
>>> IFSDB is truly an amazing database.  It would be nice if Amazon would
>>> link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>>>
>> More likely they would buy it and screw it up.
>>
>
> Hey! It would be great if Google bought Dejanews so the Usenet archive
> could be exported onto the web by some real search experts!
>
O_o "Google Groups".

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On 4/30/2021 5:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>
>
> IFSDB is truly an amazing database.  It would be nice if Amazon would
> link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>
> Lynn

Sigh, it is ISFDB !
http://isfdb.org/

Lynn

Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
>
> Hey! It would be great if Google bought Dejanews so the Usenet archive
> could be exported onto the web by some real search experts!

Too soon, man. Too soon.

--
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Maybe in a couple of hundred years

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:30:58 PM UTC-4, Leif Roar Moldskred wrote:
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <t...@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey! It would be great if Google bought Dejanews so the Usenet archive
> > could be exported onto the web by some real search experts!
> Too soon, man. Too soon.
>
> --

soc.history.what-if - evidence of it still existing:

https://soc.history.what-if.narkive.com/

Trying to call up a particular post from the past?
I have very little success with that.

Has anyone ever had success convincing Google to let
a USENET newsgroup out of googlegroups jail?

--
Kevin R

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:56:58 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 5:47 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >
> > IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
> > link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
> >
> > Lynn
> Sigh, it is ISFDB !
> http://isfdb.org/

Isfdb, incorporating Worlds of IFSDB!

I spread the word of the ISFDB with links, or mentioning it by name. I did so to one podcaster, not considering that he was also an author, and would ...er isfdb himself. Needless to say, they came through, even catching an essay about the genre.

--
-Jack

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:47:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>
>IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
>link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.

You are, of course, referring only to /real/ series.

Not the made-up series Amazon appears to love creating.
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In article <9evq8gd2ahl1la6lh4ai34ugv3ddv6uu48@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:47:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire
><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>>
>https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>
>>IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
>>link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>
>You are, of course, referring only to /real/ series.
>
>Not the made-up series Amazon appears to love creating.

Hmm. Can you give an example?

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On Sat, 1 May 2021 16:25:50 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <9evq8gd2ahl1la6lh4ai34ugv3ddv6uu48@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:47:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>>>
>>https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>>
>>>IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
>>>link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>>
>>You are, of course, referring only to /real/ series.
>>
>>Not the made-up series Amazon appears to love creating.
>
>Hmm. Can you give an example?

Try this page:
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BTV3MNP?ref_=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_tkin&binding=kindle_edition>
note that only the two most recent novels are in this "one novel"
series, named "James Bond".

Or perhaps two series:
<https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Mortis-Original-Material-Paperback-ebook/dp/B00U1ZV63Y/ref=sr_1_1?crid=224GWUABVPXAS&dchild=1&keywords=trigger+mortis+by+anthony+horowitz&qid=1619973347&sprefix=Trigger+Mortis%2Caps%2C274&sr=8-1>
which claims to part of "James Bond Novels (Paperback)" (note that
this is, in fact, a Kindle edition)
and
<https://www.amazon.com/Forever-Day-James-Bond-Novel-ebook/dp/B079RCYWGG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TH2Y9REH0KGK&dchild=1&keywords=forever+and+a+day+anthony+horowitz&qid=1619973398&sprefix=Forever+and+a+Day%2Caps%2C408&sr=8-1>
which makes no claim at all, yet is listed as the other "1 Novel" in
the series "James Bond".

Also, returning to the first link, note the two series "James Bond -
Extended"
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NZT6FXT?storeType=ebooks&pf_rd_p=b7294ad7-1d0e-4c82-88ca-8ea203578c0b&pd_rd_wg=NAjMB&pd_rd_i=B08NZT6FXT&ref_=dbs_f_def_rwt_wigo_sps_r1_kmw_0&pd_rd_w=TotTr&pd_rd_r=768c9bd6-b556-4c4c-bbdc-a8ad5375c9f5>
and "James Bond 007"
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086MV694S?storeType=ebooks&pf_rd_p=b7294ad7-1d0e-4c82-88ca-8ea203578c0b&pd_rd_wg=NAjMB&pd_rd_i=B086MV694S&ref_=dbs_f_def_rwt_wigo_sps_r1_kmw_1&pd_rd_w=TotTr&pd_rd_r=768c9bd6-b556-4c4c-bbdc-a8ad5375c9f5>.
"James Bond 007" is a "6 Book Series" containing six of the /9/ James
Bond novels by Raymond Benson.

"James Bond - Extended" is a "3 Book Series" containing the three
/before/ the two specifically linked above.

Note that the books in "James Bond - Extended" are numbered "36, 37,
38". This would make hte one we started with "39" and "40". But on my
list, as complete as I can make it, there are 45.

/None/ of these are actual series. The one we started with has two
books by the same author, and one has 6 of the 9 books by a different
author, but the other has three books by three different authors.

Of course, /all/ the James Bond novels would be a fine collection, and
might be considered a kind of series if listed in publication order.
But not these bits and pieces.

The Heinlein Juveniles form a similar "series", being listed in order
of publication. Well, nine of them anyway (three aren't on Kindle).
But at least they are numbered correctly!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

In article <talt8glt0krkoe1pe0pectb3fbhcd83pal@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 1 May 2021 16:25:50 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <9evq8gd2ahl1la6lh4ai34ugv3ddv6uu48@4ax.com>,
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:47:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>>>>
>>>https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>>>
>>>>IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
>>>>link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>>>
>>>You are, of course, referring only to /real/ series.
>>>
>>>Not the made-up series Amazon appears to love creating.
>>
>>Hmm. Can you give an example?
>
>Try this page:
><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BTV3MNP?ref_=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_tkin&binding=kindle_edition>
>note that only the two most recent novels are in this "one novel"
>series, named "James Bond".
>
>Or perhaps two series:
><https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Mortis-Original-Material-Paperback-ebook/dp/B00U1ZV63Y/ref=sr_1_1?crid=224GWUABVPXAS&dchild=1&keywords=trigger+mortis+by+anthony+horowitz&qid=1619973347&sprefix=Trigger+Mortis%2Caps%2C274&sr=8-1>
>which claims to part of "James Bond Novels (Paperback)" (note that
>this is, in fact, a Kindle edition)
>and
><https://www.amazon.com/Forever-Day-James-Bond-Novel-ebook/dp/B079RCYWGG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TH2Y9REH0KGK&dchild=1&keywords=forever+and+a+day+anthony+horowitz&qid=1619973398&sprefix=Forever+and+a+Day%2Caps%2C408&sr=8-1>
>which makes no claim at all, yet is listed as the other "1 Novel" in
>the series "James Bond".
>
>Also, returning to the first link, note the two series "James Bond -
>Extended"
><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NZT6FXT?storeType=ebooks&pf_rd_p=b7294ad7-1d0e-4c82-88ca-8ea203578c0b&pd_rd_wg=NAjMB&pd_rd_i=B08NZT6FXT&ref_=dbs_f_def_rwt_wigo_sps_r1_kmw_0&pd_rd_w=TotTr&pd_rd_r=768c9bd6-b556-4c4c-bbdc-a8ad5375c9f5>
>and "James Bond 007"
><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086MV694S?storeType=ebooks&pf_rd_p=b7294ad7-1d0e-4c82-88ca-8ea203578c0b&pd_rd_wg=NAjMB&pd_rd_i=B086MV694S&ref_=dbs_f_def_rwt_wigo_sps_r1_kmw_1&pd_rd_w=TotTr&pd_rd_r=768c9bd6-b556-4c4c-bbdc-a8ad5375c9f5>.
>"James Bond 007" is a "6 Book Series" containing six of the /9/ James
>Bond novels by Raymond Benson.
>
>"James Bond - Extended" is a "3 Book Series" containing the three
>/before/ the two specifically linked above.
>
>Note that the books in "James Bond - Extended" are numbered "36, 37,
>38". This would make hte one we started with "39" and "40". But on my
>list, as complete as I can make it, there are 45.
>
>/None/ of these are actual series. The one we started with has two
>books by the same author, and one has 6 of the 9 books by a different
>author, but the other has three books by three different authors.
>
>Of course, /all/ the James Bond novels would be a fine collection, and
>might be considered a kind of series if listed in publication order.
>But not these bits and pieces.
>
>The Heinlein Juveniles form a similar "series", being listed in order
>of publication. Well, nine of them anyway (three aren't on Kindle).
>But at least they are numbered correctly!

Dear me.

Looks as if Amazon set up an AI to arrange its "series," and its
AI isn't very I.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Sun, 2 May 2021 18:03:15 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <talt8glt0krkoe1pe0pectb3fbhcd83pal@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Sat, 1 May 2021 16:25:50 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <9evq8gd2ahl1la6lh4ai34ugv3ddv6uu48@4ax.com>,
>>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:47:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 4/30/2021 8:11 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>> The Single Best Bibliographical Resource There Is (if You Like SFF)
>>>>>>
>>>>https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/
>>>>>
>>>>>IFSDB is truly an amazing database. It would be nice if Amazon would
>>>>>link to it as Amazon tends to get their series members and order messed up.
>>>>
>>>>You are, of course, referring only to /real/ series.
>>>>
>>>>Not the made-up series Amazon appears to love creating.
>>>
>>>Hmm. Can you give an example?
>>
>>Try this page:
>><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BTV3MNP?ref_=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_tkin&binding=kindle_edition>
>>note that only the two most recent novels are in this "one novel"
>>series, named "James Bond".
>>
>>Or perhaps two series:
>><https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Mortis-Original-Material-Paperback-ebook/dp/B00U1ZV63Y/ref=sr_1_1?crid=224GWUABVPXAS&dchild=1&keywords=trigger+mortis+by+anthony+horowitz&qid=1619973347&sprefix=Trigger+Mortis%2Caps%2C274&sr=8-1>
>>which claims to part of "James Bond Novels (Paperback)" (note that
>>this is, in fact, a Kindle edition)
>>and
>><https://www.amazon.com/Forever-Day-James-Bond-Novel-ebook/dp/B079RCYWGG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TH2Y9REH0KGK&dchild=1&keywords=forever+and+a+day+anthony+horowitz&qid=1619973398&sprefix=Forever+and+a+Day%2Caps%2C408&sr=8-1>
>>which makes no claim at all, yet is listed as the other "1 Novel" in
>>the series "James Bond".
>>
>>Also, returning to the first link, note the two series "James Bond -
>>Extended"
>><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NZT6FXT?storeType=ebooks&pf_rd_p=b7294ad7-1d0e-4c82-88ca-8ea203578c0b&pd_rd_wg=NAjMB&pd_rd_i=B08NZT6FXT&ref_=dbs_f_def_rwt_wigo_sps_r1_kmw_0&pd_rd_w=TotTr&pd_rd_r=768c9bd6-b556-4c4c-bbdc-a8ad5375c9f5>
>>and "James Bond 007"
>><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086MV694S?storeType=ebooks&pf_rd_p=b7294ad7-1d0e-4c82-88ca-8ea203578c0b&pd_rd_wg=NAjMB&pd_rd_i=B086MV694S&ref_=dbs_f_def_rwt_wigo_sps_r1_kmw_1&pd_rd_w=TotTr&pd_rd_r=768c9bd6-b556-4c4c-bbdc-a8ad5375c9f5>.
>>"James Bond 007" is a "6 Book Series" containing six of the /9/ James
>>Bond novels by Raymond Benson.
>>
>>"James Bond - Extended" is a "3 Book Series" containing the three
>>/before/ the two specifically linked above.
>>
>>Note that the books in "James Bond - Extended" are numbered "36, 37,
>>38". This would make hte one we started with "39" and "40". But on my
>>list, as complete as I can make it, there are 45.
>>
>>/None/ of these are actual series. The one we started with has two
>>books by the same author, and one has 6 of the 9 books by a different
>>author, but the other has three books by three different authors.
>>
>>Of course, /all/ the James Bond novels would be a fine collection, and
>>might be considered a kind of series if listed in publication order.
>>But not these bits and pieces.
>>
>>The Heinlein Juveniles form a similar "series", being listed in order
>>of publication. Well, nine of them anyway (three aren't on Kindle).
>>But at least they are numbered correctly!
>
>Dear me.
>
>Looks as if Amazon set up an AI to arrange its "series," and its
>AI isn't very I.

Indeed.

I have seen quite a few problems over the years, some of which may
have been corrected.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."