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by: Michael F. Stemper - Mon, 3 May 2021 15:36 UTC

On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:02:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 06:14:59 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:

>>>> The earliest "person secretly living in a commercial establishment"
>>>> story I know of is "Evening Primrose," by John Collier, the
>>>> establishment being a department store.
>>>
>>> Cobblers. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elves_and_the_Shoemaker#First_tale>
>>>
>>> ;-)
>> Elves of that sort aren't people.
>
> Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)

Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
I've read it dozens of times.

Can you give an example?

--
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by: Robert Carnegie - Tue, 4 May 2021 14:49 UTC

On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:36:56 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:02:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
> >> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 06:14:59 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>
> >>>> The earliest "person secretly living in a commercial establishment"
> >>>> story I know of is "Evening Primrose," by John Collier, the
> >>>> establishment being a department store.
> >>>
> >>> Cobblers. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elves_and_the_Shoemaker#First_tale>
> >>>
> >>> ;-)
> >> Elves of that sort aren't people.
> >
> > Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)
> Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
> I've read it dozens of times.

Dummy.
:-)

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by: Titus G - Wed, 5 May 2021 03:08 UTC

On 5/05/21 2:49 am, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:36:56 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:02:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>>>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 06:14:59 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>
>>>>>> The earliest "person secretly living in a commercial establishment"
>>>>>> story I know of is "Evening Primrose," by John Collier, the
>>>>>> establishment being a department store.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cobblers. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elves_and_the_Shoemaker#First_tale>
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>> Elves of that sort aren't people.
>>>
>>> Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)
>> Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
>> I've read it dozens of times.
>
> Dummy.
> :-)
>

Man he can talk.

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by: Quadibloc - Wed, 5 May 2021 13:12 UTC

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:49:45 AM UTC-6, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:36:56 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> > On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:

> > >> Elves of that sort aren't people.

> > > Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)

> > Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
> > I've read it dozens of times.

> Dummy.
> :-)

A Google search turned up the novel Evening Primrose by Kopano Matlwa.

The plot summary I found does not suggest that there would be any
non-human characters in the novel, although it does contain instances of
a human character... praying. Does that make God one of the characters?

John Savard

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by: Michael F. Stemper - Wed, 5 May 2021 13:22 UTC

On 05/05/2021 08.12, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:49:45 AM UTC-6, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:36:56 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>> On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>
>>>>> Elves of that sort aren't people.
>
>>>> Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)
>
>>> Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
>>> I've read it dozens of times.
>
>> Dummy.
>> :-)

That'd be about like calling my grandfather's corpse "non-human".

> A Google search turned up the novel Evening Primrose by Kopano Matlwa.

<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43716> is the story under
discussion.

--
Michael F. Stemper
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by: Robert Carnegie - Wed, 5 May 2021 16:56 UTC

On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 14:22:07 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 05/05/2021 08.12, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:49:45 AM UTC-6, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:36:56 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> >>> On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >
> >>>>> Elves of that sort aren't people.
> >
> >>>> Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)
> >
> >>> Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
> >>> I've read it dozens of times.
> >
> >> Dummy.
> >> :-)
> That'd be about like calling my grandfather's corpse "non-human".
> > A Google search turned up the novel Evening Primrose by Kopano Matlwa.
> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43716> is the story under
> discussion.

If the story is as in
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evening_Primrose_%28musical%29>
then while a non-naturalistic and/or non-human agency
is a claim that normally requires more evidence than I've
got, I would ask how else this is happening /overnight/,
!including to the janitor.

Conceivably somebody alters staff records as well, but still...

Similar cases are "House of Wax" of course, "Carry On
Screaming" (a sinister plot involving supply of shop dummies
wholesale to the trade), and any appearance in _Doctor Who_
of "Autons", which I need to add to a different thread.

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Subject: Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie
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by: pete...@gmail.com - Wed, 5 May 2021 17:33 UTC

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:22:07 AM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 05/05/2021 08.12, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:49:45 AM UTC-6, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 16:36:56 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> >>> On 26/04/2021 13.04, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 23:10:30 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >
> >>>>> Elves of that sort aren't people.
> >
> >>>> Neither are all the characters in "Evening Primrose", what of it? ;-)
> >
> >>> Are there non-humans in "Evening Primrose"? I never noticed that, and
> >>> I've read it dozens of times.
> >
> >> Dummy.
> >> :-)
> That'd be about like calling my grandfather's corpse "non-human".
> > A Google search turned up the novel Evening Primrose by Kopano Matlwa.
> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43716> is the story under
> discussion.

The 1966 TV movie has a number of Sondheim songs. For decades this was an almost
lost work, since the author's estate wouldn't let it be republished, and the only place
you could see it was at the Museum of broadcasting in New York City. More recently
it became available on YouTube, and now also on some streaming services such as
Amazon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSz0OJ-xlC0

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by: Quadibloc - Thu, 6 May 2021 20:35 UTC

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 7:22:07 AM UTC-6, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

> <http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43716> is the story under
> discussion.

Ah. In that case, a link to the following music video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ

is almost germane.

John Savard

Subject	Author
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Michael F. Stemper
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Robert Carnegie
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Titus G
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Quadibloc
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Michael F. Stemper
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Robert Carnegie
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	pete...@gmail.com
Re: HG Wells-A-Thon: 1978 Time Machine TV movie	Quadibloc