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 by: Andrew Clarke - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:51 UTC

.... where provincial opera houses are feeling the pinch, according to Le Figaro:

"Au secours, mon opéra va mal ! À peine remises des conséquences de la crise sanitaire, les 25 maisons d'art lyrique et de ballets en région font leurs comptes. Et ils sont désastreux. Inflation, baisse des subventions, conséquences de l'invasion en Ukraine sur les matières premières - dont le bois qui sert aux décors-, boom de la facture énergique et revalorisation des salaires des fonctionnaires font de ce début d'année 2023, un cocktail explosif. En décembre, directeurs d'opéra et d'orchestre avaient lancé un premier cri d'alarme, prédisant un «gâchis annoncé». Deux mois plus tard, la situation n'est pas meilleure, loin de là: «Je vois poindre le syndrome de l'Italie, pays où l'opéra s'est effondré en dix ans, et où le niveau artistique en dehors de celui des grandes maisons, n'y est plus», résume Laurent Campellone, à la tête de l'Opéra de Tours.

Après avoir échangé avec certains maires et avec les directions des affaires culturelles, la ministre de la Culture Rima Abdul-Malak vient de faire une ouverture : un soutien financier exceptionnel, destiné à compenser les surcoûts dus à l'énergie, va être accordé cette année aux «structures labellisées les plus en difficulté». Soit 90.000 euros pour l'opéra de Lyon, 30.000 pour celui de Rennes ou l'Orchestre national de Metz, ou 70.000 pour l'opéra de Nancy, qui s'ajouteront aux aides transversales, dont le bouclier tarifaire, et aux éventuels soutiens des collectivités."

By "collectivit'es" I think is meant 'local government'. Meanwhile attendances at the Met in New York are said to have dropped to 63% of the house, which is unsustainable.

Andrew Clarke
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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 05:24 UTC

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
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> Meanwhile attendances at the Met in
> New York are said to have dropped to
> 63% of the house, which is unsustainable.
>

More opportunities to have the hall
used by orchestras, instrumental
soloists or chamber ensembles.

dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 05:48 UTC

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 4:24:53 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > Meanwhile attendances at the Met in
> > New York are said to have dropped to
> > 63% of the house, which is unsustainable.
> >
> More opportunities to have the hall
> used by orchestras, instrumental
> soloists or chamber ensembles.
>
> dk

Simultaneously?
And what would attendances be like for orchestras, instrumental soloists, burlesque dancers with contra-rotating tassels or chamber soloists?

Andrew Clarke
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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 06:29 UTC

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 9:48:50 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 4:24:53 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > Meanwhile attendances at the Met in
> > > New York are said to have dropped to
> > > 63% of the house, which is unsustainable.
> > >
> > More opportunities to have the hall
> > used by orchestras, instrumental
> > soloists or chamber ensembles.
>
> Simultaneously?

Nope. One at a time. Just like serial
murders ;-)

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:56 UTC

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
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> ... where provincial opera houses are feeling the pinch, according to Le Figaro:
>
> "Au secours, mon opéra va mal ! À peine remises des conséquences de la crise
> sanitaire, les 25 maisons d'art lyrique et de ballets en région font leurs comptes.
>

Are things any better in Italy?

dk

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 08:06 UTC

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 6:56:53 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > ... where provincial opera houses are feeling the pinch, according to Le Figaro:
> >
> > "Au secours, mon opéra va mal ! À peine remises des conséquences de la crise
> > sanitaire, les 25 maisons d'art lyrique et de ballets en région font leurs comptes.
> >
> Are things any better in Italy?
>
> dk

The article quotes an Italian who claims that over the past ten years, outside the major houses, standards have collapsed.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 08:55 UTC

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 12:06:43 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 6:56:53 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 1:51:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > ... where provincial opera houses are feeling the pinch, according to Le Figaro:
> > >
> > > "Au secours, mon opéra va mal ! À peine remises des conséquences de la crise
> > > sanitaire, les 25 maisons d'art lyrique et de ballets en région font leurs comptes.
> > >
> > Are things any better in Italy?
>
> The article quotes an Italian who claims that over the past ten
> years, outside the major houses, standards have collapsed.
>

Is the pizza still OK?

dk

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 by: Herman - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:46 UTC

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 9:55:22 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
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> Is the pizza still OK?
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such a globetrotter.

Pizza is mostly an American thing.

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Subject: Re: It's just as bad in France ...
From: dan.ko...@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
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 by: Dan Koren - Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:51 UTC

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 1:46:28 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 9:55:22 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > >
> > Is the pizza still OK?
> >
> such a globetrotter.
>
> Pizza is mostly an American thing.

BS. I can point you to pizzerias in
Milan, Florence, Genoa and Modena
that have absolutely nothing to do
with America "pizza". My mom also
used to make wonderful pizza that
had nothing to do with American
"pizza" either. Truly unique and
unmatched. Would you like the
recipe?

BTW I do not eat American "pizza".
Every time I return to the US from
Europe or from East Asia I can
barely touch any food for two
weeks or so.

You are clearly a deranged imbecile
driven by personal animosity.

dk

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