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Subject: Re: The greatest 3rd symphony ever!
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by: Paul Alsing - Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:55 UTC

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:46:52 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

> https://youtu.be/aw3lZmANpGw?t=3457

Very nice... but this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPB3pjX_UU&t=5s

.... is on virtually every "greatest" list that is out there. I also have versions with Biggs & Ormandy and Chorzempa-Bern-Maag, and they all have their good points. I have yet to hear "any" version that I do not like... but then, I am pretty easy to please... which is my own good luck!

You, no doubt, will find fault with all of them... am I right?

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by: Dan Koren - Mon, 13 Feb 2023 06:04 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 8:55:54 PM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:46:52 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
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> > https://youtu.be/aw3lZmANpGw?t=3457
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> Very nice... but this one...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPB3pjX_UU
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> ... is on virtually every "greatest" list that is out there. I
> also have versions with Biggs & Ormandy and Chorzempa-
> Bern-Maag, and they all have their good points. I have yet
> to hear "any" version that I do not like... but then, I am pretty
> easy to please... which is my own good luck!
>
> You, no doubt, will find fault with all of them... am I right?

No, why should I? Some older recordings have obvious
sonic flaws. And it is difficult to find any recordings
where the oragsn doesn't overpower the orchestra.

My favorites are (not surprisingly) Georges Prêtre,
versions with Maurice Duruflé or Marie-Claire Alain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAojGKF0esI

and Paul Paray with Marcel Dupré:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YgLVQ5W9Ts

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by: Kerrison - Tue, 14 Feb 2023 23:07 UTC

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> >
> > Roy Harris.
>
> Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.

I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk

When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?

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On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 3:07:26 PM UTC-8, Kerrison wrote:
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> > >
> > > Roy Harris.
> >
> > Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.
> I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk
>
> When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?
All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course, Dan's perverse Beethoven-phobic shtick notwithstanding.

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by: Dan Koren - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 23:59 UTC

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 3:07:26 PM UTC-8, Kerrison wrote:
> > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Roy Harris.
> > >
> > > Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.
> > I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk
> >
> > When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?
>
> All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll
> take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic
> elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course,

We are deliberately ignoring marches and military music.

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by: raymond....@gmail.co - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 02:03 UTC

On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 06:15:02 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 3:07:26 PM UTC-8, Kerrison wrote:
> > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Roy Harris.
> > >
> > > Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.
> > I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk
> >
> > When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?
> All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course, Dan's perverse Beethoven-phobic shtick notwithstanding.

Of course, but we were trying to be original. Actually in thinking about it, Prokofiev's 3rd "Fiery Angel" has gradually accumulated more critical plaudits. It can be harsh listening but the orchestration is uniquely Prokofiev.

Ray Hall, Taree

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by: Bob Harper - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 18:54 UTC

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 3:07:26 PM UTC-8, Kerrison wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Roy Harris.
> > > >
> > > > Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.
> > > I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk
> > >
> > > When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?
> >
> > All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll
> > take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic
> > elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course,
> We are deliberately ignoring marches and military music.
>
> dk
Fine, but you are still ignoring the gigantic elephant in the room, even if your characterization of that music is accurate--which it isn't.

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by: JohnGavin - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 20:12 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:54:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 3:07:26 PM UTC-8, Kerrison wrote:
> > > > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roy Harris.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.
> > > > I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk
> > > >
> > > > When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?
> > >
> > > All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll
> > > take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic
> > > elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course,
> > We are deliberately ignoring marches and military music.
> >
> > dk
> Fine, but you are still ignoring the gigantic elephant in the room, even if your characterization of that music is accurate--which it isn't.

Mendelssohn #3 - Scottish

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by: HT - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 21:24 UTC

Op maandag 20 februari 2023 om 21:12:10 UTC+1 schreef JohnGavin:
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:54:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 3:07:26 PM UTC-8, Kerrison wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:54 PM UTC, Oscar wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:35:17 PM, Ray Hall wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Roy Harris.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ooo, good call, Ray Hall! Nice one, indeed.
> > > > > I almost mis-read Rach 3 for Raff 3 ... :) ...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPwk9AeABk
> > > > >
> > > > > When did you last hear that "live" or even on the radio?
> > > >
> > > > All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll
> > > > take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic
> > > > elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course,
> > > We are deliberately ignoring marches and military music.
> > >
> > > dk
> > Fine, but you are still ignoring the gigantic elephant in the room, even if your characterization of that music is accurate--which it isn't.
> Mendelssohn #3 - Scottish

Roussel #3 Celibidace 1974

Henk

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by: Dan Koren - Mon, 20 Feb 2023 22:29 UTC

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:54:14 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
> > >
> > > All those mentioned are good (don't know the Raff, but I'll
> > > take your word for it), but aren't we ignoring the gigantic
> > > elephant in the room? I mean the Eroica, of course,
> > We are deliberately ignoring marches and military music.
>
> Fine, but you are still ignoring the gigantic elephant
> in the room, even if your characterization of that
> music is accurate--which it isn't.

How not so? Is the march not a march?

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by: HT - Tue, 21 Feb 2023 18:00 UTC

Op dinsdag 21 februari 2023 om 18:01:14 UTC+1 schreef Dan Koren:
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:24:43 PM UTC-8, HT wrote:
> > Op maandag 20 februari 2023 om 21:12:10 UTC+1 schreef JohnGavin:
> > >
> > > Mendelssohn #3 - Scottish
> >
> > Roussel #3 Celibidache 1974
>
> I raise you Martinu:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiNUvQvQ_I

What about Honegger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOuDe4uHR4

Henk

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by: Dan Koren - Tue, 21 Feb 2023 18:14 UTC

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:
> Op dinsdag 21 februari 2023 om 18:01:14 UTC+1 schreef Dan Koren:
> > On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 1:24:43 PM UTC-8, HT wrote:
> > > Op maandag 20 februari 2023 om 21:12:10 UTC+1 schreef JohnGavin:
> > > >
> > > > Mendelssohn #3 - Scottish
> > >
> > > Roussel #3 Celibidache 1974
> >
> > I raise you Martinu:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiNUvQvQ_I
>
> What about Honegger?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOuDe4uHR4

KO! One of my favorites! Also one of the
earliest symphonies I heard as a kid:
D.417, D.759, K.550, TH.30, FWV.48,
WAB.104, WAB.107.

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Re: The greatest 3rd symphony ever!	Dan Koren
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