Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
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In article <7f8a272a-110a-4b8f-aa1d-85221ca0c15dn@googlegroups.com>,
novaste...@gmail.com <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 8:05:48 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>>
>https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
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>
>I would have added the icerigger trilogy by Alan Dean Foster

Was that driven by a stellar companion?
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jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:

>>I would have added the icerigger trilogy by Alan Dean Foster
>
> Was that driven by a stellar companion?

I don't remember it being, though the GURPS splatbook gives years
for the start and end of the 'cold cycle' it's currently in, as
opposed to a 'warm cycle'. Could just be our regularly scheduled
glacial period, already in progress.

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In article <s7jbnn$lt$1@reader1.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-clima
> te-shifts/

There is also the planet Ploor in "Doc" Smith's _The Children of the
Lens_ (while a single star system, Ploor has an eccentric orbit about a
star with extraordinary variability).

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On 13/05/2021 09.05, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/

One of Anderson's Flandry stories, _A Circus of Hells_, takes place (in
part) on Talwin. Talwin's eccentric orbit leads to two intelligent
species time-sharing.

Possibly more extreme is Ploor from _Children of the Lens_. The Ploorans
vary from RTSLSTR... to TUUVWYX... to VWZYTSX... (fourth form not
stated) over the course of one Plooran year.

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Zechariah 7:10

On 2021-05-13, Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-clima
>> te-shifts/
>
> There is also the planet Ploor in "Doc" Smith's _The Children of the
> Lens_

Isn't We Made It from Niven's Known Space stories also plagued by
extreme seasons? It's part of the joke that some of the worlds
that were designated as habitable by the automatic rambot probes
turned out to be somewhat less so, on closer inspection, when the
settlers arrived. See also Plateau.

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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 2:42:39 PM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 13/05/2021 09.05, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> > https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
> One of Anderson's Flandry stories, _A Circus of Hells_, takes place (in
> part) on Talwin. Talwin's eccentric orbit leads to two intelligent
> species time-sharing.
>
> Possibly more extreme is Ploor from _Children of the Lens_. The Ploorans
> vary from RTSLSTR... to TUUVWYX... to VWZYTSX... (fourth form not
> stated) over the course of one Plooran year.
>
> --
> Michael F. Stemper
> Zechariah 7:10

Wasn't the fourth form straight Z's to several places, similar to a Palainian?

In article <slrns9r19h.2aet.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
>On 2021-05-13, Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>>> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-clima
>>> te-shifts/
>>
>> There is also the planet Ploor in "Doc" Smith's _The Children of the
>> Lens_
>
>Isn't We Made It from Niven's Known Space stories also plagued by
>extreme seasons?

Driven by axial tilt, not a stellar companion.
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On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/

Man, zero for five again !

Would nuclear winter be considered eligible for this class ?

Lynn

Michael F. Stemper <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
> Talwin's eccentric orbit leads to two intelligent
> species time-sharing.

Coney's _Hello, Summer, Goodbye_ comes up here from time to time.

On 13/05/2021 17.20, Martin wrote:
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 2:42:39 PM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 13/05/2021 09.05, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>>> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
>> One of Anderson's Flandry stories, _A Circus of Hells_, takes place (in
>> part) on Talwin. Talwin's eccentric orbit leads to two intelligent
>> species time-sharing.
>>
>> Possibly more extreme is Ploor from _Children of the Lens_. The Ploorans
>> vary from RTSLSTR... to TUUVWYX... to VWZYTSX... (fourth form not
>> stated) over the course of one Plooran year.
>
> Wasn't the fourth form straight Z's to several places, similar to a Palainian?

Probably, but I couldn't find it in Chapter 24, where the other specs
were given. Multiple consecutive upper-case letters do tend to be
pretty obvious, too.

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On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/

Would "Wool" qualify for this when the entire world was infected with
"bad" nanos ?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1476733953/

Lynn

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:08:00 AM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:

> There is also the planet Ploor in "Doc" Smith's _The Children of the
> Lens_ (while a single star system, Ploor has an eccentric orbit about a
> star with extraordinary variability).

And just as Green Lantern, during the 80s, paid homage to Doc Smith by
introducing Eddore and Arisia as characters, The Aliens, a back-up feature
to the comic Magnus Robot Fighter 4,000 A.D. which started out with a
premise lifted from Murray Leinster's First Contact... revealed that the titular
aliens were Ploorans during its run.

John Savard

In article <092ccfaa-4f5a-4393-9da9-49601a3b1d5cn@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:12:00 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> > Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>> >
>https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
>> Would "Wool" qualify for this when the entire world was infected with
>> "bad" nanos ?
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1476733953/
>
>
>Don't forget 'Cycle of Fire', Clement.

Would that be the same Cycle of Fire by Hal Clement that was the very
first example I cited or some other Cycle of Fire, perhaps by an
unrelated Clement?
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On 5/17/2021 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <092ccfaa-4f5a-4393-9da9-49601a3b1d5cn@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:12:00 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>>>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
>>> Would "Wool" qualify for this when the entire world was infected with
>>> "bad" nanos ?
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1476733953/
>>
>>
>> Don't forget 'Cycle of Fire', Clement.
>
> Would that be the same Cycle of Fire by Hal Clement that was the very
> first example I cited or some other Cycle of Fire, perhaps by an
> unrelated Clement?
>
You sound like you expect people to have read your column before
commenting on it! :-P

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On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 20:04:39 UTC+1, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 5/17/2021 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > In article <092ccfaa-4f5a-4393...@googlegroups.com>,
> > pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:12:00 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> >>>>
> >> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
> >>> Would "Wool" qualify for this when the entire world was infected with
> >>> "bad" nanos ?
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1476733953/
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't forget 'Cycle of Fire', Clement.
> >
> > Would that be the same Cycle of Fire by Hal Clement that was the very
> > first example I cited or some other Cycle of Fire, perhaps by an
> > unrelated Clement?
> >
> You sound like you expect people to have read your column before
> commenting on it! :-P

What column? :-)

Not to pile on. But oops!

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 3:05:48 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
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Am I really the first to mention Tran, from Pournelle's Mercenaries series? Every few hundred years the Demon star comes close, madweed cultivation becomes possible, and all hell breaks loose as climate change drives population movement in the form of barbarian invasions.

>>>>> On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
>

Jemisin's Fifth Season is my first choice for a planet plagued by
Extreme Climate Shift.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:12:31 AM UTC+10, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <092ccfaa-4f5a-4393...@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:12:00 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 5/13/2021 9:05 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> > Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> >> >
> >https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
> >> Would "Wool" qualify for this when the entire world was infected with
> >> "bad" nanos ?
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1476733953/
> >
> >
> >Don't forget 'Cycle of Fire', Clement.
> Would that be the same Cycle of Fire by Hal Clement that was the very
> first example I cited or some other Cycle of Fire, perhaps by an
> unrelated Clement?

Perhaps he means Klement with a "K", the well known Dutch author?

-Moriarty

On 5/17/2021 11:18 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 3:05:48 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
>> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/
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>> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
>
> Am I really the first to mention Tran, from Pournelle's Mercenaries series? Every few hundred years the Demon star comes close, madweed cultivation becomes possible, and all hell breaks loose as climate change drives population movement in the form of barbarian invasions.

Another book I need to reread, especially since there is a new
Janissarries book.
https://www.amazon.com/Mamelukes-Jerry-Pournelle/dp/1982125373/

Lynn

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:05:48 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Fictional Planets Plagued by Extreme Climate Shifts
> https://www.tor.com/2021/05/13/five-fictional-planets-plagued-by-extreme-climate-shifts/

Also Patra-Bannk from "The World is Round", by Tony Rothman (son of the author of "Heavy Planet" so it runs in the family).

William Hyde