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* cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
+* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
|+- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableDavid Johnston
|`* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
| `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableDavid Johnston
|  `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
|   `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availablePaul S Person
|    +- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLawrence Watt-Evans
|    `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
|     `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableRobert Woodward
|      `- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
+* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableBill Gill
|+* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJames Nicoll
||`- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
|+- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableGarrett Wollman
|`- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableScott Lurndal
+- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
`* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableWilliam Hyde
 `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableTony Nance
  `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableWilliam Hyde
   +* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableLynn McGuire
   |+* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableTony Nance
   ||`- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJ. Clarke
   |`* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableWilliam Hyde
   | `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableMichael F. Stemper
   |  +* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableDon
   |  |`* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableRobert Carnegie
   |  | +- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
   |  | `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableMichael F. Stemper
   |  |  +* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableRobert Carnegie
   |  |  |`- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJ. Clarke
   |  |  `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availablePaul S Person
   |  |   `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableDorothy J Heydt
   |  |    `- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availablePaul S Person
   |  +- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableWilliam Hyde
   |  `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJ. Clarke
   |   `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableMichael F. Stemper
   |    `* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJ. Clarke
   |     +- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableMichael F. Stemper
   |     +* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJerry Brown
   |     |`* Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
   |     | `- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableDorothy J Heydt
   |     `- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availablepete...@gmail.com
   `- Re: cost of used dead tree books jumps when new is not availableTony Nance

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 by: Don - Wed, 19 May 2021 14:51 UTC

Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> William Hyde wrote:
>
>> One hilarious thing that was not his fault. The standard notation for
>> a complex number is z, but if two complex variables are needed, he'd
>> write a squiggle for the second. I literally could not write the squiggle,
>> so I'd substitute eta for it.
>
> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>
> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>
> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
> thought came to me only during this post.

Lower-case xi appears in my handwritten notes for a couple of college
courses: "Applications of Random Processes" and "Complex Variables."
A halfhearted cursive attempt was made by me to add serifs to the
sigma summation symbol and a dangled "tail" to the xi, in order to make
the two more distinctive and easier to differentiate.

Danke,

--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Wed, 19 May 2021 18:20 UTC

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 15:51:08 UTC+1, Don wrote:
> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> > William Hyde wrote:
> >
> >> One hilarious thing that was not his fault. The standard notation for
> >> a complex number is z, but if two complex variables are needed, he'd
> >> write a squiggle for the second. I literally could not write the squiggle,
> >> so I'd substitute eta for it.
> >
> > Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
> >
> > Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
> > is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
> > how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
> > it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
> >
> > If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
> > thought came to me only during this post.

Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...

> Lower-case xi appears in my handwritten notes for a couple of college
> courses: "Applications of Random Processes" and "Complex Variables."
> A halfhearted cursive attempt was made by me to add serifs to the
> sigma summation symbol and a dangled "tail" to the xi, in order to make
> the two more distinctive and easier to differentiate.
>
> Danke,
>
> --
> Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php
> telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
> tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

"There once was a curate from Kew,
Who kept a black cat in a pew,
He taught it to speak
Alphabetical Greek,
But it never got further than μ"

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Wed, 19 May 2021 18:28 UTC

In article <ada83c3d-b009-4efa-b31b-370992d3a141n@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 15:51:08 UTC+1, Don wrote:
>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> > William Hyde wrote:
>> >
>> >> One hilarious thing that was not his fault. The standard notation for
>> >> a complex number is z, but if two complex variables are needed, he'd
>> >> write a squiggle for the second. I literally could not write the squiggle,
>> >> so I'd substitute eta for it.
>> >
>> > Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>> >
>> > Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>> > is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>> > how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>> > it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>> >
>> > If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>> > thought came to me only during this post.
>
>Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...
>
>> Lower-case xi appears in my handwritten notes for a couple of college
>> courses: "Applications of Random Processes" and "Complex Variables."
>> A halfhearted cursive attempt was made by me to add serifs to the
>> sigma summation symbol and a dangled "tail" to the xi, in order to make
>> the two more distinctive and easier to differentiate.
>>
>> Danke,
>>
>> --
>> Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php
>> telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
>> tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
>
>"There once was a curate from Kew,
>Who kept a black cat in a pew,
>He taught it to speak
>Alphabetical Greek,
>But it never got further than μ"

All hail the endangered clean Limerick.
(Bonus points for a clean pussy Limerick)
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Wed, 19 May 2021 18:53 UTC

On 19/05/2021 13.20, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:

>>> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>>>
>>> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>>> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>>> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>>> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>>>
>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>>> thought came to me only during this post.
>
> Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...

My zs, both upper and lower, have three line segments, no wiggles.
Sometimes I get continental and superimpose a horizontal bisector, but
still no wiggles.

> "There once was a curate from Kew,
> Who kept a black cat in a pew,
> He taught it to speak
> Alphabetical Greek,
> But it never got further than μ"

Bravo!

(Let's see if my news client messes up the mu.)

--
Michael F. Stemper
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Wed, 19 May 2021 19:15 UTC

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 19:54:04 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 19/05/2021 13.20, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>
> >>> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
> >>>
> >>> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
> >>> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
> >>> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
> >>> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
> >>>
> >>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
> >>> thought came to me only during this post.
> >
> > Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...
> My zs, both upper and lower, have three line segments, no wiggles.
> Sometimes I get continental and superimpose a horizontal bisector, but
> still no wiggles.
> > "There once was a curate from Kew,
> > Who kept a black cat in a pew,
> > He taught it to speak
> > Alphabetical Greek,
> > But it never got further than μ"
> Bravo!
>
> (Let's see if my news client messes up the mu.)

It got back here okay. I didn't write the limerick,
though!

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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:00:27 AM UTC-4, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 18/05/2021 16.36, William Hyde wrote:
>
> > One hilarious thing that was not his fault. The standard notation for a complex number is z, but if two complex variables are needed, he'd write a squiggle for the second. I literally could not write the squiggle, so I'd substitute eta for it.
> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>

Quite possibly though I don't recall it clearly. last time I checked, which was
40 years ago, the notes were within ten feet of where I am sitting, but I fear
to open that drawer as I might release its Eldritch Horrors.

>
> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>
> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
> thought came to me only during this post.

If I had done that, he'd have introduced the backslash as a symbol for something. It was fated.

William Hyde

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 by: J. Clarke - Wed, 19 May 2021 21:33 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 18/05/2021 16.36, William Hyde wrote:
>
>> One hilarious thing that was not his fault. The standard notation for a complex number is z, but if two complex variables are needed, he'd write a squiggle for the second. I literally could not write the squiggle, so I'd substitute eta for it.
>
>Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>
>Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>
>If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>thought came to me only during this post.

I don't recall what course it was now but there was one course I took
in grad school that had something to do with either aeronautical or
nuclear engineering in which lower case xi made frequent appearances.
When I was writing it on the board my advisor would refer to it as
"your funny looking letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).

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 by: J. Clarke - Wed, 19 May 2021 21:34 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 19:54:04 UTC+1, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 19/05/2021 13.20, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> >> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>
>> >>> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>> >>>
>> >>> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>> >>> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>> >>> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>> >>> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>> >>>
>> >>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>> >>> thought came to me only during this post.
>> >
>> > Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...
>> My zs, both upper and lower, have three line segments, no wiggles.
>> Sometimes I get continental and superimpose a horizontal bisector, but
>> still no wiggles.
>> > "There once was a curate from Kew,
>> > Who kept a black cat in a pew,
>> > He taught it to speak
>> > Alphabetical Greek,
>> > But it never got further than ?"
>> Bravo!
>>
>> (Let's see if my news client messes up the mu.)
>
>It got back here okay. I didn't write the limerick,
>though!

It got lost for me somewhere along the way.

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Wed, 19 May 2021 22:00 UTC

On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
> <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>> thought came to me only during this post.
>
> I don't recall what course it was now but there was one course I took
> in grad school that had something to do with either aeronautical or
> nuclear engineering in which lower case xi made frequent appearances.
> When I was writing it on the board my advisor would refer to it as
> "your funny looking letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).

Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?

--
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?

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 by: J. Clarke - Thu, 20 May 2021 00:16 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:00:45 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>> <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>>> thought came to me only during this post.
>>
>> I don't recall what course it was now but there was one course I took
>> in grad school that had something to do with either aeronautical or
>> nuclear engineering in which lower case xi made frequent appearances.
>> When I was writing it on the board my advisor would refer to it as
>> "your funny looking letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).
>
>Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?

The kind of guy who would know Hannah Reitsch personally.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip>

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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Thu, 20 May 2021 13:01 UTC

On 19/05/2021 19.16, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:00:45 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
> <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:

>>> "your funny looking letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).
>>
>> Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?
>
> The kind of guy who would know Hannah Reitsch personally.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip>

Okay, thanks. I knew that a lot of that went on. I never knew that
there was a specific program.

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 20 May 2021 16:30 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:53:53 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/05/2021 13.20, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>
>>>> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>>>>
>>>> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>>>> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>>>> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>>>> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>>>>
>>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>>>> thought came to me only during this post.
>>
>> Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...
>
>My zs, both upper and lower, have three line segments, no wiggles.
>Sometimes I get continental and superimpose a horizontal bisector, but
>still no wiggles.
>
>> "There once was a curate from Kew,
>> Who kept a black cat in a pew,
>> He taught it to speak
>> Alphabetical Greek,
>> But it never got further than ?"
>
>Bravo!
>
>(Let's see if my news client messes up the mu.)

Thanks for the revealing the identity of the mystery guest.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Jerry Brown - Thu, 20 May 2021 16:55 UTC

On Wed, 19 May 2021 20:16:25 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:00:45 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
><mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>>> <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>>>> thought came to me only during this post.
>>>
>>> I don't recall what course it was now but there was one course I took
>>> in grad school that had something to do with either aeronautical or
>>> nuclear engineering in which lower case xi made frequent appearances.
>>> When I was writing it on the board my advisor would refer to it as
>>> "your funny looking letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).
>>
>>Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?
>
>The kind of guy who would know Hannah Reitsch personally.
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip>

Brings to mind "The Right Stuff"*:
"Our Germans are better than their Germans!"

*: The 1983 Philip Kaufman film, not the recent dreary TV version

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Thu, 20 May 2021 17:14 UTC

Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 19 May 2021 20:16:25 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:00:45 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>><mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>>>> <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place,
>>>>> but that thought came to me only during this post.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall what course it was now but there was one
>>>> course I took in grad school that had something to do with
>>>> either aeronautical or nuclear engineering in which lower
>>>> case xi made frequent appearances. When I was writing it on
>>>> the board my advisor would refer to it as "your funny looking
>>>> letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).
>>>
>>>Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?
>>
>>The kind of guy who would know Hannah Reitsch personally.
>>
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip>
>
> Brings to mind "The Right Stuff"*:
> "Our Germans are better than their Germans!"
>
> *: The 1983 Philip Kaufman film, not the recent dreary TV
> version
>
A movie that paints von Braun more favorably than he really
deserved, and 99% of this screen time was 100% fiction. (Von Braun
was a *rocket* scientist. He had no role in the design of
payloads.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Thu, 20 May 2021 22:19 UTC

In article <0k3dagpth5b2ukdd4bdmlaugdncuofhqoo@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:53:53 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
><mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 19/05/2021 13.20, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>>>>>
>>>>> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>>>>> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>>>>> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>>>>> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>>>>> thought came to me only during this post.
>>>
>>> Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...
>>
>>My zs, both upper and lower, have three line segments, no wiggles.
>>Sometimes I get continental and superimpose a horizontal bisector, but
>>still no wiggles.
>>
>>> "There once was a curate from Kew,
>>> Who kept a black cat in a pew,
>>> He taught it to speak
>>> Alphabetical Greek,
>>> But it never got further than ?"
>>
>>Bravo!
>>
>>(Let's see if my news client messes up the mu.)
>
>Thanks for the revealing the identity of the mystery guest.

When I was taking Greek, I never so much as saw the upper-case
xi. And I'm sure my squiggle-renditions of the lower-case xi
would have been unrecognizable to a native speaker/writer.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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In article <XnsAD306834ED322taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
>news:415dag1v3qetsqqo0jahp4t9vj0v128qsk@jwbrown.co.uk:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 20:16:25 -0400, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:00:45 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>>><mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>>>>> <mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place,
>>>>>> but that thought came to me only during this post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall what course it was now but there was one
>>>>> course I took in grad school that had something to do with
>>>>> either aeronautical or nuclear engineering in which lower
>>>>> case xi made frequent appearances. When I was writing it on
>>>>> the board my advisor would refer to it as "your funny looking
>>>>> letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).
>>>>
>>>>Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?
>>>
>>>The kind of guy who would know Hannah Reitsch personally.
>>>
>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip>
>>
>> Brings to mind "The Right Stuff"*:
>> "Our Germans are better than their Germans!"
>>
>> *: The 1983 Philip Kaufman film, not the recent dreary TV
>> version
>>
>A movie that paints von Braun more favorably than he really
>deserved, and 99% of this screen time was 100% fiction. (Von Braun
>was a *rocket* scientist. He had no role in the design of
>payloads.)

And you'll recall the story that von Braun was overheard saying,
"The V-2 is a success, except it's hitting the wrong planet."
And somebody ratted him out to Hitler, who promptly fired him.
And Dornberger had to put his own career, and neck, on the line
by going to Hitler and saying, "I don't care what he said, we
need him!"

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:16:29 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:00:45 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
> <mste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 19/05/2021 16.33, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:09 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
> >> <mste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
> >>> thought came to me only during this post.
> >>
> >> I don't recall what course it was now but there was one course I took
> >> in grad school that had something to do with either aeronautical or
> >> nuclear engineering in which lower case xi made frequent appearances.
> >> When I was writing it on the board my advisor would refer to it as
> >> "your funny looking letter" (note--he was a paperclip specialist).
> >
> >Huh? What do you mean by "paperclip specialist"?
> The kind of guy who would know Hannah Reitsch personally.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip>

My Uncle (by marriage) Felix, came to the US as a child, since his father came
In on this program. His father was apparently an expert in steel rolling
mills. He once showed me his Hitler Jugend dagger.

Just weird.

Pt

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 21 May 2021 05:24 UTC

On 5/19/2021 12:06 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <s816l9$hp7$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2021 12:18 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 May 2021 14:55:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/2021 2:50 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-05-17 11:24 a.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/17/2021 7:26 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <s7svog$jcl$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am I the only person noticing that the price of used dead tree books
>>>>>>>> goes ways up when the new books run out ?  For instance:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Exo-Jumper-Novel-Steven-Gould/dp/0765336545/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, just said by itself, that's hardly surprising: Supply & Demand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case it does seem odd that the used paperback is more dear than
>>>>>>> the current hardcover..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am seeing this all over Amazon for SF books that do not have new
>>>>>> books available anymore and the used books go up in price significantly.
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Armageddon-Inheritance-David-Weber/dp/B0073AOEW0/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Amazon is doing something weird.  This book is second in a series
>>>>>> of three books but Amazon has removed it from the series list.  But
>>>>>> the first book is still listed as a series of one book.  I have told
>>>>>> Amazon of the problem but I doubt that I am getting past the computer.
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have thought that the publishers would get a new printing made
>>>>>> or move the book to POD (print on demand) but neither of those seem to
>>>>>> happen anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason why it isn't a series any more is because it's an omnibus.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Ashes-Dahak-combo-volumes-ebook/dp/B00APADQW
>>>>> E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=armageddon+inheritance&qid=1621280692&s=dig
>>>>> ital-text&sr=1-1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They seem to have messed up the switchover.
>>>>
>>>> I agree about the omnibus but it is heavy. I prefer the MMPBs or trade
>>>> paperbacks of the originals.
>>>
>>> The prior link is an $8.99 ebook. Which isn't a bad price for three
>>> novels.
>>>
>>> Amazon lists a paperback for $25.52:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Ashes-David-Weber-2006-02-01/dp/B01FKV0GM0/ref
>>> =sr_1_6?crid=MJSY5TO26LKT&dchild=1&keywords=dahak+series+by+david+weber&qid=
>>> 1621357723&s=digital-text&sprefix=dahak+%2Cdigital-text%2C262&sr=1-6-catcorr
>>> but whether it is mass market or trade I have no idea.
>>>
>>> However, if I take $9 as the current price of a mass market paperback
>>> and $15 as the current price of a trade paperback (both, BTW, are
>>> WAGs, and so may be completely wrong), then $25.52 would not seem to
>>> be excessively expensive.
>>>
>>>> And the switchover is a mess.
>>>
>>> Amazon claims the ebook is "Dahak combo volumes Book 1" but checking
>>> out "Dahak series" only produces the omnibus and the three parts.
>>>
>>> Just another junk series, I guess.
>>>
>>> Maybe Amazon just lets anybody who wants to set these "series" up and
>>> then makes no effort at all to ensure that they make any kind of
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> It's a great pity. I might have enjoyed reading further novels in this
>>> series, if they had ever been written.
>>
>> https://www.bookseriesinorder.com/david-weber/
>>
>> BTW, the David Weber's Safehold series (10 books so far) is a rewrite of
>> the Dahak series, in my opinion.
>
> Er, NO!
>
> Three decades ago, David Weber presented several proposed series to Jim
> Baen (the Safehold series was one of them). Jim Baen chose Honor
> Harrington. When writing the 3rd Dahak title, Weber used some ideas from
> then unused Safehold writeup. The only other resemblance the two have is
> the existence of xenophobic and genocidal aliens.

Thanks, I'll stick with my theory.

Lynn

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On Thu, 20 May 2021 22:19:17 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <0k3dagpth5b2ukdd4bdmlaugdncuofhqoo@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:53:53 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
>><mstemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19/05/2021 13.20, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>>> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible that this squiggle was lower-case xi?
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two years back, I took a course in set theory, where lower-case xi
>>>>>> is used quite frequently. (That's the only reason that I even know
>>>>>> how a Platonic lower-case xi should look.) I never managed to draw
>>>>>> it, and ended up just making kind of a squiggle in my course notes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I was smarter, I might have written "\xi" in its place, but that
>>>>>> thought came to me only during this post.
>>>>
>>>> Do "z" but go on longer, more wiggles...
>>>
>>>My zs, both upper and lower, have three line segments, no wiggles.
>>>Sometimes I get continental and superimpose a horizontal bisector, but
>>>still no wiggles.
>>>
>>>> "There once was a curate from Kew,
>>>> Who kept a black cat in a pew,
>>>> He taught it to speak
>>>> Alphabetical Greek,
>>>> But it never got further than ?"
>>>
>>>Bravo!
>>>
>>>(Let's see if my news client messes up the mu.)
>>
>>Thanks for the revealing the identity of the mystery guest.
>
>When I was taking Greek, I never so much as saw the upper-case
>xi. And I'm sure my squiggle-renditions of the lower-case xi
>would have been unrecognizable to a native speaker/writer.

Looking at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)>, I have to say
I don't recall seeing the capital form either.

This is most likely because I saw it mainly when adding (or decoding)
an ending starting in "sigma" ("s") to a root ending in "kappa" ("k"):
they were merged into a "xi" ("ks").
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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