Although I have decided cut back participating in RMCR due to the general hate climate here, let me just reiterate that this discussion of changing the ng to a moderated format is completely ridiculous and disingenuous.
It's technically unfeasible.
It's also way too ridiculous that the main perpetrator of immoderate behavior, DK, is acting as if he wants a moderator team. Talk about phony. There are about a dozen active participants on RMCR (see the stats), so half the participants would be moderators.

Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment:
- calling people racist or anti-semite if you don't agree about music
- calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine
- constantly harrassing other participants on ethnic stereotypes
- using RMCR as a personal diary, rather than trying to contribute something
- posting blind links without any info
- posting non-funny jokes on every single topic, just to leave one's pee mark.

In all these things DK is the main, monumental perpetrator. Him proposing a moderated format is like the lunatics taking over the asylum. The whole antisemitism thing flooding RMCR was instigated by DK. Marc S. ain't no picnic either. but of course all MS is trying to do is winning DK's approval, by being as antisocial as he is.

Of course there's also the evil finger pointing. Me, Gerard and Melmoth "would love to be moderators" - no we would not. I can only speak for myself, but I would love however for DK to shut his fucking racist mouth. However try telling that to a psychopath with zero self-reflection..

Most people do not have the slightest problem with 'moderating' their online behavior, and there is really no need for formal moderation, and fantasy scenarios of a world wide team 'sending posts back for rewrites' - it's totally ludicrous and just an crazy fantasy masking bad behavior.
All it takes is some self-reflection on the part of two or three perps, but since these are clearly mental cases who need to build a big fantasy self online, it's not going to happen.

On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 09:03:48 UTC, Herman wrote:
>
> Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment: ......

This all sounds right to me.

Herman schrieb am Samstag, 11. März 2023 um 10:03:48 UTC+1:
> Although I have decided cut back participating in RMCR due to the general hate climate here, let me just reiterate that this discussion of changing the ng to a moderated format is completely ridiculous and disingenuous.

Did you also decide to cut back participating in RMCR because of TD's crude antisemitic remarks? Ofc not... did you ever call out TD on his antisemitism? Ofc not...

The only one disingenuous here is you.

> It's technically unfeasible.
> It's also way too ridiculous that the main perpetrator of immoderate behavior, DK, is acting as if he wants a moderator team. Talk about phony. There are about a dozen active participants on RMCR (see the stats), so half the participants would be moderators.

What you mean? I am the one who brought chaos into this ng, haha - more than DK ever did. Please acknowledge this.

>
> Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment:
> - calling people racist or anti-semite if you don't agree about music
> - calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine
> - constantly harrassing other participants on ethnic stereotypes
> - using RMCR as a personal diary, rather than trying to contribute something
> - posting blind links without any info
> - posting non-funny jokes on every single topic, just to leave one's pee mark.
>
> In all these things DK is the main, monumental perpetrator. Him proposing a moderated format is like the lunatics taking over the asylum. The whole antisemitism thing flooding RMCR was instigated by DK. Marc S. ain't no picnic either. but of course all MS is trying to do is winning DK's approval, by being as antisocial as he is.
>

Hmmmm... so, me criticising DK's worldview and calling him names is me trying to win his approval? Hmmm... how does this work out?

> Of course there's also the evil finger pointing. Me, Gerard and Melmoth "would love to be moderators" - no we would not. I can only speak for myself, but I would love however for DK to shut his fucking racist mouth. However try telling that to a psychopath with zero self-reflection..
>
> Most people do not have the slightest problem with 'moderating' their online behavior, and there is really no need for formal moderation, and fantasy scenarios of a world wide team 'sending posts back for rewrites' - it's totally ludicrous and just an crazy fantasy masking bad behavior.
> All it takes is some self-reflection on the part of two or three perps, but since these are clearly mental cases who need to build a big fantasy self online, it's not going to happen.

The "ridiculously overeducated" Herman is telling us about "self-reflection"... can't make this shit up.

What a funny read btw. And sorry Herman for making you feel uncomfortable here...

Maybe you can create a ng called Herman's safe place or sth.

Op zaterdag 11 maart 2023 om 10:03:48 UTC+1 schreef Herman:

> Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment:
> - calling people racist or anti-semite if you don't agree about music

In this context it's unpleasant, no more. Remember: the medium is the message.

> - calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine

That's American culture. Ever seen a roast on the Comic net?

> - constantly harrassing other participants on ethnic stereotypes

That's unpleasant because it would be more than unpleasant if it went the other way.

> - using RMCR as a personal diary, rather than trying to contribute something

A personal diary is a contribution. Reading it is optional.

> - posting blind links without any info

One has only to touch in the link. As long as it doesn't infest our PCs with viruses, it's all right.

> - posting non-funny jokes on every single topic, just to leave one's pee mark.

I lived with an incontinent cat for years - and with bad jokes since the day I was born. Most people aren't funny. It's a gift even rarer than being able to play the violin.

Henk

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:26:42 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
>
> > - calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine

> That's American culture. Ever seen a roast on the Comic net?

No, that's not US American culture, as in how regular people talk to each other.

You're mixing up what you see on TV with how people live.

Op zaterdag 11 maart 2023 om 15:26:42 UTC+1 schreef HT:
> Op zaterdag 11 maart 2023 om 10:03:48 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
> > Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment:
> > - calling people racist or anti-semite if you don't agree about music
> In this context it's unpleasant, no more. Remember: the medium is the message.
> > - calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine
> That's American culture. Ever seen a roast on the Comic net?
> > - constantly harrassing other participants on ethnic stereotypes
> That's unpleasant because it would be more than unpleasant if it went the other way.
> > - using RMCR as a personal diary, rather than trying to contribute something
> A personal diary is a contribution. Reading it is optional.
> > - posting blind links without any info
> One has only to touch in the link. As long as it doesn't infest our PCs with viruses, it's all right.
> > - posting non-funny jokes on every single topic, just to leave one's pee mark.
> I lived with an incontinent cat for years - and with bad jokes since the day I was born. Most people aren't funny. It's a gift even rarer than being able to play the violin.
>
> Henk

Seems BS to me. But incontinent American cats are worse.

Op zaterdag 11 maart 2023 om 10:03:48 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
> Although I have decided cut back participating in RMCR due to the general hate climate here, let me just reiterate that this discussion of changing the ng to a moderated format is completely ridiculous and disingenuous.
> It's technically unfeasible.
> It's also way too ridiculous that the main perpetrator of immoderate behavior, DK, is acting as if he wants a moderator team. Talk about phony. There are about a dozen active participants on RMCR (see the stats), so half the participants would be moderators.
>
> Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment:
> - calling people racist or anti-semite if you don't agree about music
> - calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine
> - constantly harrassing other participants on ethnic stereotypes
> - using RMCR as a personal diary, rather than trying to contribute something
> - posting blind links without any info
> - posting non-funny jokes on every single topic, just to leave one's pee mark.
>
> In all these things DK is the main, monumental perpetrator. Him proposing a moderated format is like the lunatics taking over the asylum. The whole antisemitism thing flooding RMCR was instigated by DK. Marc S. ain't no picnic either. but of course all MS is trying to do is winning DK's approval, by being as antisocial as he is.
>
> Of course there's also the evil finger pointing. Me, Gerard and Melmoth "would love to be moderators" - no we would not. I can only speak for myself, but I would love however for DK to shut his fucking racist mouth. However try telling that to a psychopath with zero self-reflection..
>
> Most people do not have the slightest problem with 'moderating' their online behavior, and there is really no need for formal moderation, and fantasy scenarios of a world wide team 'sending posts back for rewrites' - it's totally ludicrous and just an crazy fantasy masking bad behavior.
> All it takes is some self-reflection on the part of two or three perps, but since these are clearly mental cases who need to build a big fantasy self online, it's not going to happen.

Good summary.

> Seems BS to me. But incontinent American cats are worse.

<g> You clearly have more experience than I do.

Henk

Op zaterdag 11 maart 2023 om 17:48:22 UTC+1 schreef HT:
> > Seems BS to me. But incontinent American cats are worse.
> <g> You clearly have more experience than I do.
>
> Henk

Anyhow, I like the analogy dominant posters -- incontinent cats ;-)

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:03:48 AM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
> Although I have decided cut back participating in RMCR due to the general hate climate here, let me just reiterate that this discussion of changing the ng to a moderated format is completely ridiculous and disingenuous.
> It's technically unfeasible.
> It's also way too ridiculous that the main perpetrator of immoderate behavior, DK, is acting as if he wants a moderator team. Talk about phony. There are about a dozen active participants on RMCR (see the stats), so half the participants would be moderators.
>
> Let's name a couple of things that make RMCR an unpleasant environment:
> - calling people racist or anti-semite if you don't agree about music
> - calling people names like brainfucked shithead or imbecile as a matter of routine
> - constantly harrassing other participants on ethnic stereotypes
> - using RMCR as a personal diary, rather than trying to contribute something
> - posting blind links without any info
> - posting non-funny jokes on every single topic, just to leave one's pee mark.

Own some of your own actions and I'll start respecting offerings like this. You have often been just as accusatory and judgmental as those you object to.

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:03:48 AM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
> Of course there's also the evil finger pointing. Me, Gerard and Melmoth "would love to be moderators" - no we would not. I can only speak for myself, but I would love however for DK to shut his fucking racist mouth. However try telling that to a psychopath with zero self-reflection..

Yep, that's the voice of someone seeking to lower the temperature. You're constantly wanting to have it both ways.

The moderation talk is just more trolling. Another way to make the
resident egomaniac the center of attention, as if another was needed.
Nothing to do but ignore it, like the rest of the nonsense.

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:55:55 AM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yep, that's the voice of someone seeking to
> lower the temperature. You're constantly
> wanting to have it both ways.

Your "temperature scale" is completely inverted.

I would be very happy to "lower the temperature".
Just not on terms imposed unilatreally by the
self appointed "moral majority".

dk

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 4:19:22 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> What a funny read btw. And sorry Herman
> for making you feel uncomfortable here...
>
> Maybe you can create a ng called Herman's
> safe place or sth.

ROTFL !!!

Very aptly put. Can we all pitch in a penny or
two to help purchase a luxury doghouse for
Herman?

dk

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 4:16:24 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> The "ridiculously overeducated" Herman is telling
> us about "self-reflection"... can't make this shit up.

He unwittingly made an important confession: he
likes to self-reflect. He probably dusted off that
mirror.

dk

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:27:53 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 09:03:48 UTC, Herman wrote:
> >
> > Let's name a couple of things that make
> > RMCR an unpleasant environment: ......
>
> This all sounds right to me.

RMCR is not an "environment".

It is a vacuum. One needs to
provide one's own oxygen
supply.

dk