https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

Possibly the first choral-less symphony
written in the history of music to exceed
an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

Enjoy!

dk

Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
>
> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
> written in the history of music to exceed
> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
>
> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> dk
>

Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony No. 5, Op. 52”, but it
doesn’t mention the Composer name. Who is he?

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
> >
> > Possibly the first choral-less symphony
> > written in the history of music to exceed
> > an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
> > the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
> >
> > Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
> > 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
> > 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
>
> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
> No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
> name. Who is he?

No cheating please!

Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

dk

Juan I. Cahis <jicahis.SINBASURA@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
>>
>> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
>> written in the history of music to exceed
>> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
>> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
>>
>> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
>> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
>> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> dk
>>
>
> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony No. 5, Op. 52”, but it
> doesn’t mention the Composer name. Who is he?
>

I found it: Franz Lachner

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Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
>>>
>>> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
>>> written in the history of music to exceed
>>> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
>>> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
>>>
>>> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
>>> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
>>> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
>>
>> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
>> No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
>> name. Who is he?
>
> No cheating please!
>
> Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?
>
> dk
>

Have you heard of a female Composer from the very early romantic period,
with at least 52 published works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could do it.

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> >> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
> >>>
> >>> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
> >>> written in the history of music to exceed
> >>> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
> >>> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
> >>>
> >>> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
> >>> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
> >>> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
> >>
> >> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
> >> No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
> >> name. Who is he?
> >
> > No cheating please!
> >
> > Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?
>
> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
> do it.

Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

dk

Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
>>>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
>>>>> written in the history of music to exceed
>>>>> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
>>>>> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
>>>>> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
>>>>> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
>>>> No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
>>>> name. Who is he?
>>>
>>> No cheating please!
>>>
>>> Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?
>>
>> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
>> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
>> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
>> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
>> do it.
>
> Sexist and misogynistic as usual.
>
> dk
>

You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny Mendelssohn, I meant
that this great Composer was not allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to
publish 52 works because she was a women. And this is the opposite you
understood.

Don’t forget that not all people in the world speak English as his/her
mother language.

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On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> >> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> >>>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
> >>>>> written in the history of music to exceed
> >>>>> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
> >>>>> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
> >>>>> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
> >>>>> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
> >>>> No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
> >>>> name. Who is he?
> >>>
> >>> No cheating please!
> >>>
> >>> Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?
> >>
> >> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
> >> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
> >> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
> >> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
> >> do it.
> >
> > Sexist and misogynistic as usual.
>
> You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
> Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
> allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
> works because she was a women.

In what way was Fanny Mendelssohn "not allowed" to
publish all her works?

> And this is the opposite you understood.

I did not understand anything in particular. I never do. All I
can do is read what other people write. There is no way to
read other people's minds to figure out if they really mean
what they appear to be saying.

> Don’t forget that not all people in the world speak English
> as his/her mother language.

How could I possibly forget that? I am not a native English
speaker myself! I only masquerade as one. ;-)

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > >> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > >>>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Possibly the first choral-less symphony
> > >>>>> written in the history of music to exceed
> > >>>>> an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
> > >>>>> the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
> > >>>>> 2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
> > >>>>> 11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
> > >>>> No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
> > >>>> name. Who is he?
> > >>>
> > >>> No cheating please!
> > >>>
> > >>> Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?
> > >>
> > >> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
> > >> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
> > >> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
> > >> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
> > >> do it.
> > >
> > > Sexist and misogynistic as usual.
> >
> > You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
> > Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
> > allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
> > works because she was a women.
> In what way was Fanny Mendelssohn "not allowed" to
> publish all her works?

After his explanation it is reasonable why he assumed it was a he; got nothing to do with being misogynistic - you could acknowledge this; instead you are being unneccesarily nit-picky, or rather ahem a dick.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:45:34 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > >> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
> > > >> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
> > > >> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
> > > >> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
> > > >> do it.
> > > >
> > > > Sexist and misogynistic as usual.
> > >
> > > You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
> > > Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
> > > allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
> > > works because she was a women.
> >
> > In what way was Fanny Mendelssohn
> > "not allowed" to publish all her works?
>
> After his explanation it is reasonable
> why he assumed it was a he;

"Assuming" someone's gender using
indirect and inferred information is an
obvious misogynism symptom. Like
assuming Jeanne d'Arc was a man
by looking at her armor.

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:13:09 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:45:34 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
> > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > > Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > > >> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
> > > > >> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
> > > > >> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
> > > > >> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
> > > > >> do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sexist and misogynistic as usual.
> > > >
> > > > You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
> > > > Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
> > > > allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
> > > > works because she was a women.
> > >
> > > In what way was Fanny Mendelss
No,ohn
> > > "not allowed" to publish all her works?
> >
> > After his explanation it is reasonable
> > why he assumed it was a he;
> "Assuming" someone's gender using
> indirect and inferred information is an
> obvious misogynism symptom. Like
> assuming Jeanne d'Arc was a man
> by looking at her armor.
>
> dk

No. It is just a method of narrowing down who the composer might be... Juan hears the music, thinks about who the composer might be, hears early romantic music (which btw is mostly composed by men), and then sees op 52. and assumes it was a he... very simple.

You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas. It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic, but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better would for the job not be allowed to, because they have the wrong gender.... (just like Jews had the wrong ethnicity and/or religion you know?)

This is an example of how 3rd wave feminism has become misogynist and misandrist...

Dirty Harry on feminism and women's quotas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZEDSfX9EI

If I saw a picture of a knight whose face was covered I'd assume he was a man and so would 99% of the women, not because of being misogynistic, but because of experience...

Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:33:31 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:13:09 UTC+1:
> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:45:34 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > > > Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > > > >> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Have you heard of a female Composer from the
> > > > > >> very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
> > > > > >> works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
> > > > > >> don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
> > > > > >> do it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sexist and misogynistic as usual.
> > > > >
> > > > > You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
> > > > > Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
> > > > > allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
> > > > > works because she was a women.
> > > >
> > > > In what way was Fanny Mendelss
> No,ohn
> > > > "not allowed" to publish all her works?
> > >
> > > After his explanation it is reasonable
> > > why he assumed it was a he;
> > "Assuming" someone's gender using
> > indirect and inferred information is an
> > obvious misogynism symptom. Like
> > assuming Jeanne d'Arc was a man
> > by looking at her armor.
> >
> > dk
> No. It is just a method of narrowing down who the composer might be... Juan hears the music, thinks about who the composer might be, hears early romantic music (which btw is mostly composed by men), and then sees op 52. and assumes it was a he... very simple.
>
> You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas. It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic, but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better would for the job not be allowed to, because they have the wrong gender... (just like Jews had the wrong ethnicity and/or religion you know?)
>
> This is an example of how 3rd wave feminism has become misogynist and misandrist...
>
> Dirty Harry on feminism and women's quotas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZEDSfX9EI
>
> If I saw a picture of a knight whose face was covered I'd assume he was a man and so would 99% of the women, not because of being misogynistic, but because of experience...

*misogynist in all cases

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
> It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
> abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
> but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
> would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
> the wrong gender...

Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:38:41 UTC+1:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
> > It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
> > abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
> > but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
> > would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
> > the wrong gender...
> Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
> worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
> treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
> from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....
>
> dk

The difference between the examples you mentioned and gender quotas is, that gender quotas were designed to fix the problems you name; it is supposed to guarantee a better treatment of women, but it only backfires... Gender quotas were specifically designed against men and for women - which is a crime as much as the things you mention, but an "officialy" legitimated crime as opposed to the things you name...

While what you say often is true ofc... it also often gets exaggerated by feminists tbh... #metoo is a joke, the campaign against Weinstein was as much a farce as against Trump... yes our opinions will differ on this hehe.

Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:57:13 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:38:41 UTC+1:
> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
> > > It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
> > > abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
> > > but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
> > > would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
> > > the wrong gender...
> > Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
> > worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
> > treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
> > from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....
> >
> > dk
> The difference between the examples you mentioned and gender quotas is, that gender quotas were designed to fix the problems you name; it is supposed to guarantee a better treatment of women, but it only backfires... Gender quotas were specifically designed against men and for women - which is a crime as much as the things you mention, but an "officialy" legitimated crime as opposed to the things you name...
>
> While what you say often is true ofc... it also often gets exaggerated by feminists tbh... #metoo is a joke, the campaign against Weinstein was as much a farce as against Trump... yes our opinions will differ on this hehe.

It depends on the place in the world... in the west (and also South Korea for example) the women seem to get treated quite well... female presidents, etc etc...

Pakistan, "Palestine", Saudi Arabia, Iran are another matter.

Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 19:10:17 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:57:13 UTC+1:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:38:41 UTC+1:
> > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
> > > > It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
> > > > abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
> > > > but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
> > > > would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
> > > > the wrong gender...
> > > Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
> > > worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
> > > treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
> > > from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....
> > >
> > > dk
> > The difference between the examples you mentioned and gender quotas is, that gender quotas were designed to fix the problems you name; it is supposed to guarantee a better treatment of women, but it only backfires... Gender quotas were specifically designed against men and for women - which is a crime as much as the things you mention, but an "officialy" legitimated crime as opposed to the things you name...
> >
> > While what you say often is true ofc... it also often gets exaggerated by feminists tbh... #metoo is a joke, the campaign against Weinstein was as much a farce as against Trump... yes our opinions will differ on this hehe..
> It depends on the place in the world... in the west (and also South Korea for example) the women seem to get treated quite well... female presidents, etc etc...
>
> Pakistan, "Palestine", Saudi Arabia, Iran are another matter.

*I do believe that Weinstein is responsible for foul play etc. or coercing women to sleep with him and he is probably not a nice guy; but it clearly seemed to me that things got blown way out of proportion.

If I remember correctly some of the "rape"-victims were seen with him on many other occasions after the rape supposedly occured...and I just think... you know, if you get raped, then you don't hang around with the guy who raped you anymore; very simple... and not accuse him of raping you years after it supposedly happened.

If he promises someone career opportunities for sleeping with him; it would ofc be wrong, but in the end it's not a rape anymore then. There were probably many women who said no to Weinstein btw.

I don't know, anyway I think it got blown way out of proportion and suddenly everyone was raped by someone...