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 by: Roland van Gaalen - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:34 UTC

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:32 UTC

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:34:07 AM UTC-7, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
> https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buehne-und-konzert/war-ludwig-van-beethoven-gar-kein-beethoven-brisante-gen-analyse-18765183-p4.html

Behind paywall.

dk

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 by: Chris J. - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:58 UTC

On 22 Mar 2023 Dan Koren wrote:

>> https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buehne-und-konzert/war-ludwig-
>> van-beethoven-gar-kein-beethoven-brisante-gen-analyse-18765183-p4.html
> Behind paywall.

The scientific paper:
"Genomic analyses of hair from Ludwig van Beethoven"

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(23)00181-1

(open access)

For the masses:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/beethoven-hair-dna-composer-death

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/health/beethoven-death-dna-hair.html

and other websites.

Chris

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 20:12 UTC

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:32:53 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:34:07 AM UTC-7, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
> > https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buehne-und-konzert/war-ludwig-van-beethoven-gar-kein-beethoven-brisante-gen-analyse-18765183-p4.html
>
> Behind paywall.
>
> dk

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical/c/T6Bu9HFlEjo

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 by: Pluted Pup - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 21:16 UTC

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 11:58:38 -0700, Chris J. wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2023 Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > > https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buehne-und-konzert/war-ludwig-
> > > van-beethoven-gar-kein-beethoven-brisante-gen-analyse-18765183-p4.html
>
> > Behind paywall.
>
> The scientific paper:
> "Genomic analyses of hair from Ludwig van Beethoven"
>
> https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(23)00181-1
>
> (open access)

So Beethoven *didn't* have lead poisoning. The only Samples of
Beethoven's hair that had been previously tested is the Hiller
lock, which is that of a Jewish woman. Of 17 locks of hair only
5 were deemed authentic and the others were of different people.

Now was Beethoven Black like some professors say or is more
testing needed?

>
> For the masses:
>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/beethoven-hair-dna-composer-death
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/health/beethoven-death-dna-hair.html
>
> and other websites.
>
> Chris

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