https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4

All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
the fray.

TIA

Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 08:11:44 UTC+1 schreef Dan Koren:
> https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
>
> All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> the fray.
>
> TIA

CIS is an Australian libertarian think-tank. It's a "classical libertarian" organization, according to Wiki. We may expect a typical Anglo-Saxon (colonialist, imperialist) view of the world.

Henk

Dress up any old Tom, Dick or Harriet to look important and stick them in front of a camera to simulate a current affairs or news item and what do you get....?

......any old Tom, Dick or Harriet and whatever random noises come out of their mouths. No more, no less. The "power of the Internet" is just an illusion.

The crisis the west is facing is personalized by the likes of Henk and Andy...

Let's all hear what Amnesty International (which Henk and Andy hold in high regards) had to say about Israel 2 days ago:

"Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes.
Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes.
Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes.
Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes. "

https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1638204572484214784

Henk and Andy can chant along. And Pluted can join as well.

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 11:51:16 UTC+1:
> The crisis the west is facing is personalized by the likes of Henk and Andy...

*personified

>
> Let's all hear what Amnesty International (which Henk and Andy hold in high regards) had to say about Israel 2 days ago:
>
> "Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes.
> Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes.
> Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes.
> Demolish Apartheid, not Palestinian Homes. "
>
> https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1638204572484214784
>
> Henk and Andy can chant along. And Pluted can join as well.

On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 10:51:16 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> Let's all hear what Amnesty International (which Henk and Andy hold in high regards) had to say about Israel 2 days ago:

I see the insects have started coming out of the woodwork again......

Andy Evans schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 12:02:30 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 10:51:16 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> > Let's all hear what Amnesty International (which Henk and Andy hold in high regards) had to say about Israel 2 days ago:
> I see the insects have started coming out of the woodwork again......

Oh, now I am an insect... reminds me of how Nazis talked about jewish rats - you sure no how to dehumanize people. The so-called "liberals" of the UK.... lol

Are you a friend of Roger Waters?

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 12:06:47 UTC+1:
> Andy Evans schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 12:02:30 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 10:51:16 UTC, Marc S wrote:
> > > Let's all hear what Amnesty International (which Henk and Andy hold in high regards) had to say about Israel 2 days ago:
> > I see the insects have started coming out of the woodwork again......
> Oh, now I am an insect... reminds me of how Nazis talked about jewish rats - you sure no how to dehumanize people. The so-called "liberals" of the UK... lol
>

*know

> Are you a friend of Roger Waters?

Yet another thread on antisemitism is about as welcome here as a turd on an île flottante.....

Andy Evans schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 12:16:31 UTC+1:
> Yet another thread on antisemitism is about as welcome here as a turd on an île flottante.....

It is only logical that antisemites like you or Henk do not welcome threads about antisemitism. And it is also logical that you have to talk about antisemitism, because there are still enough ignorant antisemites like you or Henk around.

If there were no antisemites on this ng there would be no need to talk about it...

Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 11:47:10 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
> Dress up any old Tom, Dick or Harriet to look important and stick them in front of a camera to simulate a current affairs or news item and what do you get....?
>
> .....any old Tom, Dick or Harriet and whatever random noises come out of their mouths. No more, no less. The "power of the Internet" is just an illusion.

Don't underestimate the power of the Internet. The CIS has 53K followers who believe they are libertarians but have become victims, like Maya Khurana, of Western propaganda.

Henk

On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 15:30:02 UTC, HT wrote:
> Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 11:47:10 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
> > Dress up any old Tom, Dick or Harriet to look important and stick them in front of a camera to simulate a current affairs or news item and what do you get....?
> >
> > .....any old Tom, Dick or Harriet and whatever random noises come out of their mouths. No more, no less. The "power of the Internet" is just an illusion.
> Don't underestimate the power of the Internet. The CIS has 53K followers who believe they are libertarians but have become victims, like Maya Khurana, of Western propaganda.
> > Henk

Unfortunately that's all too true for all the gullible people who imagine that anything that's dressed up like an "expert" actually has something of value to say.

Interestingly even the EU-parliament considers Amnesty International antisemitic (using the same argumentation as I do wrt the antisemitic statements by Henk and Andy):

Question: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932_EN.html

"On 1 February 2022, Amnesty International issued a report entitled ‘Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians – a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity’ in which it alleges that apartheid was inherent in the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 and has been built on and maintained by successive Israeli governments.

1. Does the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (VP/HR) regard Israel as an apartheid state, given that – among others – Israel was created based on UN Resolution 181, more than 10 % of Knesset Members are Arab Israelis, there are Arab Israeli judges, including at the Supreme Court, and an Arab party forms part of the current government?

2. Does the VP/HR regard the report as antisemitic in the light of the non-legally binding International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism, given that it claims that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor (i.e. an apartheid state)?"

Answer: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932-ASW_EN.html

"The Commission is aware of the report referred to by the Honourable Members and is giving it due attention. In any case, the Commission considers that it is not appropriate to use the term apartheid in connection with the State of Israel.

The Commission uses the non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA definition) as a practical guidance tool and a basis for its work to combat antisemitism.. Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour is amongst the illustrative examples included under the IHRA definition.

The EU and its Member States will continue to closely monitor the developments on the ground. The respect of international humanitarian law and international human rights law by state and non-state actors, and accountability for violations committed, are a cornerstone for peace and security in the Middle East region.

The EU remains committed to a negotiated two-State solution, based on international law, the 1967 lines, with equivalent land swaps, as may be agreed between the parties, with the State of Israel and an independent, democratic, contiguous, sovereign and viable State of Palestine[1], living side by side in peace, security and mutual recognition."

-- Instead of reflecting; antisemites like Henk and Andy will ofc continue to read and cite Amnesty, err Antisemitic International and Al Jazeera.

And these are the people who consider themselves "well-read", "educated" and "doing the right thing"... can't make this shit up.

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:30:34 UTC+1:
> Interestingly even the EU-parliament considers Amnesty International antisemitic (using the same argumentation as I do wrt the antisemitic statements by Henk and Andy):
>
> Question: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932_EN.html
>
> "On 1 February 2022, Amnesty International issued a report entitled ‘Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians – a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity’ in which it alleges that apartheid was inherent in the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 and has been built on and maintained by successive Israeli governments.
>
> 1. Does the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (VP/HR) regard Israel as an apartheid state, given that – among others – Israel was created based on UN Resolution 181, more than 10 % of Knesset Members are Arab Israelis, there are Arab Israeli judges, including at the Supreme Court, and an Arab party forms part of the current government?
>
> 2. Does the VP/HR regard the report as antisemitic in the light of the non-legally binding International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism, given that it claims that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor (i.e. an apartheid state)?"
>
> Answer: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932-ASW_EN.html
>
> "The Commission is aware of the report referred to by the Honourable Members and is giving it due attention. In any case, the Commission considers that it is not appropriate to use the term apartheid in connection with the State of Israel.
>
> The Commission uses the non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA definition) as a practical guidance tool and a basis for its work to combat antisemitism. Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour is amongst the illustrative examples included under the IHRA definition.
>
> The EU and its Member States will continue to closely monitor the developments on the ground. The respect of international humanitarian law and international human rights law by state and non-state actors, and accountability for violations committed, are a cornerstone for peace and security in the Middle East region.
>
> The EU remains committed to a negotiated two-State solution, based on international law, the 1967 lines, with equivalent land swaps, as may be agreed between the parties, with the State of Israel and an independent, democratic, contiguous, sovereign and viable State of Palestine[1], living side by side in peace, security and mutual recognition."
>
> -- Instead of reflecting; antisemites like Henk and Andy will ofc continue to read and cite Amnesty, err Antisemitic International and Al Jazeera.
>
> And these are the people who consider themselves "well-read", "educated" and "doing the right thing"... can't make this shit up.

and not only that: but these are antisemites who consider themselves not to be antisemites... it's just ridiculous.

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:41:03 UTC+1:
> Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:30:34 UTC+1:
> > Interestingly even the EU-parliament considers Amnesty International antisemitic (using the same argumentation as I do wrt the antisemitic statements by Henk and Andy):
> >
> > Question: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932_EN.html
> >
> > "On 1 February 2022, Amnesty International issued a report entitled ‘Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians – a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity’ in which it alleges that apartheid was inherent in the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 and has been built on and maintained by successive Israeli governments.
> >
> > 1. Does the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (VP/HR) regard Israel as an apartheid state, given that – among others – Israel was created based on UN Resolution 181, more than 10 % of Knesset Members are Arab Israelis, there are Arab Israeli judges, including at the Supreme Court, and an Arab party forms part of the current government?
> >
> > 2. Does the VP/HR regard the report as antisemitic in the light of the non-legally binding International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism, given that it claims that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor (i.e. an apartheid state)?"
> >
> > Answer: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932-ASW_EN.html
> >
> > "The Commission is aware of the report referred to by the Honourable Members and is giving it due attention. In any case, the Commission considers that it is not appropriate to use the term apartheid in connection with the State of Israel.
> >
> > The Commission uses the non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA definition) as a practical guidance tool and a basis for its work to combat antisemitism. Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour is amongst the illustrative examples included under the IHRA definition.
> >
> > The EU and its Member States will continue to closely monitor the developments on the ground. The respect of international humanitarian law and international human rights law by state and non-state actors, and accountability for violations committed, are a cornerstone for peace and security in the Middle East region.
> >
> > The EU remains committed to a negotiated two-State solution, based on international law, the 1967 lines, with equivalent land swaps, as may be agreed between the parties, with the State of Israel and an independent, democratic, contiguous, sovereign and viable State of Palestine[1], living side by side in peace, security and mutual recognition."
> >
> > -- Instead of reflecting; antisemites like Henk and Andy will ofc continue to read and cite Amnesty, err Antisemitic International and Al Jazeera.
> >
> > And these are the people who consider themselves "well-read", "educated" and "doing the right thing"... can't make this shit up.
> and not only that: but these are antisemites who consider themselves not to be antisemites... it's just ridiculous.

*I meant to say hilarious; i used the wrong word.

Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 18:42:23 UTC+1 schreef Marc S:
> Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:41:03 UTC+1:
> > Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:30:34 UTC+1:
> > > Interestingly even the EU-parliament considers Amnesty International antisemitic (using the same argumentation as I do wrt the antisemitic statements by Henk and Andy):
> > >
> > > Question: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932_EN.html
> > >
> > > "On 1 February 2022, Amnesty International issued a report entitled ‘Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians – a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity’ in which it alleges that apartheid was inherent in the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 and has been built on and maintained by successive Israeli governments.
> > >
> > > 1. Does the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (VP/HR) regard Israel as an apartheid state, given that – among others – Israel was created based on UN Resolution 181, more than 10 % of Knesset Members are Arab Israelis, there are Arab Israeli judges, including at the Supreme Court, and an Arab party forms part of the current government?
> > >
> > > 2. Does the VP/HR regard the report as antisemitic in the light of the non-legally binding International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism, given that it claims that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor (i.e. an apartheid state)?"
> > >
> > > Answer: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932-ASW_EN.html
> > >
> > > "The Commission is aware of the report referred to by the Honourable Members and is giving it due attention. In any case, the Commission considers that it is not appropriate to use the term apartheid in connection with the State of Israel.
> > >
> > > The Commission uses the non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA definition) as a practical guidance tool and a basis for its work to combat antisemitism. Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour is amongst the illustrative examples included under the IHRA definition..
> > >
> > > The EU and its Member States will continue to closely monitor the developments on the ground. The respect of international humanitarian law and international human rights law by state and non-state actors, and accountability for violations committed, are a cornerstone for peace and security in the Middle East region.
> > >
> > > The EU remains committed to a negotiated two-State solution, based on international law, the 1967 lines, with equivalent land swaps, as may be agreed between the parties, with the State of Israel and an independent, democratic, contiguous, sovereign and viable State of Palestine[1], living side by side in peace, security and mutual recognition."
> > >
> > > -- Instead of reflecting; antisemites like Henk and Andy will ofc continue to read and cite Amnesty, err Antisemitic International and Al Jazeera.
> > >
> > > And these are the people who consider themselves "well-read", "educated" and "doing the right thing"... can't make this shit up.
> > and not only that: but these are antisemites who consider themselves not to be antisemites... it's just ridiculous.
> *I meant to say hilarious; i used the wrong word.

Who cares?

Gerard schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 19:29:02 UTC+1:
> Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 18:42:23 UTC+1 schreef Marc S:
> > Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:41:03 UTC+1:
> > > Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 18:30:34 UTC+1:
> > > > Interestingly even the EU-parliament considers Amnesty International antisemitic (using the same argumentation as I do wrt the antisemitic statements by Henk and Andy):
> > > >
> > > > Question: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932_EN.html
> > > >
> > > > "On 1 February 2022, Amnesty International issued a report entitled ‘Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians – a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity’ in which it alleges that apartheid was inherent in the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 and has been built on and maintained by successive Israeli governments..
> > > >
> > > > 1. Does the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (VP/HR) regard Israel as an apartheid state, given that – among others – Israel was created based on UN Resolution 181, more than 10 % of Knesset Members are Arab Israelis, there are Arab Israeli judges, including at the Supreme Court, and an Arab party forms part of the current government?
> > > >
> > > > 2. Does the VP/HR regard the report as antisemitic in the light of the non-legally binding International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism, given that it claims that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor (i.e. an apartheid state)?"
> > > >
> > > > Answer: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-000932-ASW_EN.html
> > > >
> > > > "The Commission is aware of the report referred to by the Honourable Members and is giving it due attention. In any case, the Commission considers that it is not appropriate to use the term apartheid in connection with the State of Israel.
> > > >
> > > > The Commission uses the non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA definition) as a practical guidance tool and a basis for its work to combat antisemitism. Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour is amongst the illustrative examples included under the IHRA definition.
> > > >
> > > > The EU and its Member States will continue to closely monitor the developments on the ground. The respect of international humanitarian law and international human rights law by state and non-state actors, and accountability for violations committed, are a cornerstone for peace and security in the Middle East region.
> > > >
> > > > The EU remains committed to a negotiated two-State solution, based on international law, the 1967 lines, with equivalent land swaps, as may be agreed between the parties, with the State of Israel and an independent, democratic, contiguous, sovereign and viable State of Palestine[1], living side by side in peace, security and mutual recognition."
> > > >
> > > > -- Instead of reflecting; antisemites like Henk and Andy will ofc continue to read and cite Amnesty, err Antisemitic International and Al Jazeera.
> > > >
> > > > And these are the people who consider themselves "well-read", "educated" and "doing the right thing"... can't make this shit up.
> > > and not only that: but these are antisemites who consider themselves not to be antisemites... it's just ridiculous.
> > *I meant to say hilarious; i used the wrong word.
> Who cares?

Art thou speaking for everyone?

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:11:44 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
>
> All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> the fray.
>

So far I have not seen any real, professional
discussion as requested. Only mud slinging
by known parties.

dk

On 3/23/2023 6:32 AM, HT wrote:
> Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 08:11:44 UTC+1 schreef Dan Koren:
>> https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
>>
>> All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
>> pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
>> kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
>> the fray.
>>
>> TIA
>
> CIS is an Australian libertarian think-tank. It's a "classical libertarian" organization, according to Wiki. We may expect a typical Anglo-Saxon (colonialist, imperialist) view of the world.
>
> Henk
>

It says "classical liberal" not "classical libertarian." The article says nothing about foreign policy. I would be surprised if the CIS is colonialist or imperialist. There are many strains in Libertarianism (certainly more than I understand), some virtually isolationist. Some libertarians believe that a non-representative government has no rights, such that a representative government trying to overthrow it is ethical and moral. Whether it is smart is a different matter.

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 24. März 2023 um 02:15:12 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:11:44 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
> >
> > All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> > pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> > kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> > the fray.
> >
> So far I have not seen any real, professional
> discussion as requested. Only mud slinging
> by known parties.
>
> dk

I just loved how Henk and Andy were being completely unreasonable in the first place... Henk didn't manage to read past the first two sentences on wikipedia, and came up with an argument that not true... well not completely, as contrary to Frank's belief, CIS actually seems a bit colonialist and imperialist sort of, I mean... their research program according to wikpedia includes:

"China and free societies"

.... China is not colonialist or imperialist? Nooooo... ofc not.

"think" tank...

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 18:15:08 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:11:44???AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
> >
> > All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> > pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> > kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> > the fray.
>
> So far I have not seen any real, professional
> discussion as requested. Only mud slinging
> by known parties.

The link has no useful description to the video,
so I take it as not worth viewing, just another
troll video. If they have a point they'll say
it in writing.

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:22:09 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 18:15:08 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:11:44???AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
> > >
> > > All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> > > pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> > > kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> > > the fray.
> >
> > So far I have not seen any real, professional
> > discussion as requested. Only mud slinging
> > by known parties.
>
> The link has no useful description to the video,
> so I take it as not worth viewing, just another
> troll video. If they have a point they'll say
> it in writing.

The link has exactly the title of the video as
published on YouTube. If that is not a useful
description to your mind, you are incapable
of reading and thinking. One wonders how
you manage to count the CDs in a box.

There is also no point in notifying the rest
of the group that you do not want to view
a video, or you did not open it.

One question that comes to mind every
time you say something is whether you
ever worked in military intelligence. Are
you a former military guy?

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 08:11:44 UTC+1:
> https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
>
> All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> the fray.
>
> TIA

What I said before was bullshit... It just dawned upon me that I misunderstood the research program (China and free societies; I thought they viewed China as a free society... while they actually address the problems free societies face because of China; just checked their page).

After having realized this, I actually watched the video.

She says right things, but I guess also some wrong things... the problem is that she is too condensed. The problems she is naming all need to be elaborated further; explaining them etc.

For sure she is right about "cancel culture" and people "needing safe places" (you see Herman getting "offended" by opinions different from his own, needing a safe place; or people like you Dan "boycotting" spotify because of Joe Rogan).

Basically Twitter was a safe place for all the woke people before Elon Musk (who I don't fancy, but who did many right things with Twitter) took over. And the woke people here don't even realize how woke they are themselves (Andy, Henk, Herman, Gerard, mswd etc).

Glad the things have changed on Twitter.

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 2:09:06 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> the woke people here don't even realize how woke they
> are themselves (Andy, Henk, Herman, Gerard, mswd etc).
>

There is no wokeness on r.m.c.r.. Only yawness.

dk

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 24. März 2023 um 10:09:06 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. März 2023 um 08:11:44 UTC+1:
> > https://youtu.be/zrhhEJlw-e4
> >
> > All resident and visiting philosophers, thinkers,
> > pundits, spectators, tinkerers, kibbitzers, are
> > kindly invited to comment. I will stay out of
> > the fray.
> >
> > TIA
> What I said before was bullshit... It just dawned upon me that I misunderstood the research program (China and free societies; I thought they viewed China as a free society... while they actually address the problems free societies face because of China; just checked their page).
>
> After having realized this, I actually watched the video.
>
> She says right things, but I guess also some wrong things... the problem is that she is too condensed. The problems she is naming all need to be elaborated further; explaining them etc.
>
> For sure she is right about "cancel culture" and people "needing safe places" (you see Herman getting "offended" by opinions different from his own, needing a safe place; or people like you Dan "boycotting" spotify because of Joe Rogan).
>
> Basically Twitter was a safe place for all the woke people before Elon Musk (who I don't fancy, but who did many right things with Twitter) took over. And the woke people here don't even realize how woke they are themselves (Andy, Henk, Herman, Gerard, mswd etc).
>
> Glad the things have changed on Twitter.

Dan... even though I don't think it would be a reason to boycott spotify, Roger Waters would be a much more legitimate reason to boycott spotify than Joe Rogan...

And btw: I was not slinging mud at anyone; I just pointed out the mud that is already on the face of Andy, Henk and Herman etc. No need to sling mud, as they seem to bath in it.