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Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:03 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all
> over again. And please remember, these
> are the days that the US meant well with
> the rest of the world. That's long since
> past.

The US no longer knows the meaning of
meaning. What else can one expect from
a yoyocracy that turns around 180 degrees
every 4 or 8 years, with every administration
spending utmost effort to undo what the
previous one had done, rather than working
towards long term national goals and interests?

Defense, energy, transportation, communications,
foreign policy, commerce, banking and fiscal policy
all need long term planning beyond the horizon of
another domestic election cycle.

I suppose Frank will correct me and remind
us all that the most effective path to avoiding
chaos is ..... chaos! The Gosple according to
Hayek! ;-)

dk

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 by: gggg gggg - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:08 UTC

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:10 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
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> Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

Did Chat-GPT spit out this one for you?

dk

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 by: gggg gggg - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:21 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.
>
> Henk

Wouldn't most foreigners say that U.S. foreign policy has never had anything to do with mutual benefit, much less the long term common good?

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 by: gggg gggg - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:39 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.
>
> Henk

Concerning Graham Greene's THE QUIET AMERICAN, the following concludes:

- The story is told through Fowler’s eyes, and while he is supposed to be the suitor that better understands Phuong and Vietnam, Greene suggests that neither of the Western participants are fully aware of the thoughts or desires of the natives, and instead vie for control over it for their own purposes.

https://www.litcharts.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/vietnam-and-the-west

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 by: gggg gggg - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:41 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.
> >
> > Henk
> Concerning Graham Greene's THE QUIET AMERICAN, the following concludes:
>
> - The story is told through Fowler’s eyes, and while he is supposed to be the suitor that better understands Phuong and Vietnam, Greene suggests that neither of the Western participants are fully aware of the thoughts or desires of the natives, and instead vie for control over it for their own purposes.
>
> https://www.litcharts.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/vietnam-and-the-west

- It has always been true that the men who were defending Western ideals were bound to be in alliance with men who intended to defend only Western interests.

Butterfield

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 by: HT - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:29 UTC

Op maandag 3 april 2023 om 20:39:57 UTC+2 schreef gggg gggg:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.
> >
> > Henk
> Concerning Graham Greene's THE QUIET AMERICAN, the following concludes:
>
> - The story is told through Fowler’s eyes, and while he is supposed to be the suitor that better understands Phuong and Vietnam, Greene suggests that neither of the Western participants are fully aware of the thoughts or desires of the natives, and instead vie for control over it for their own purposes.
>
> https://www.litcharts.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/vietnam-and-the-west

The actions of a well-intentioned young American agent in South-Vietnam are depicted as being ultimately destructive, as his support for a corrupt regime leads to further instability and violence. In this sense, "The Quiet American" can be seen as a critique of American interventionism.

Henk

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 by: Pluted Pup - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 02:12 UTC

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:

> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

The news media trusts the CIA. There are rumors
that the Washington Post and the New York Times
are illegally subsidized by the CIA.

An atrocious CIA (OSS) behavior was when they helped
the Viet Minh (Viet Cong) and urged the Annamese to
"kill all the French",backstabbing France and Britain,
formal allies. This helped start what was later
called the Vietnam War.

Re: Alms For Oblivion, by Peter Kemp

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 04:01 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:12:39 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> The news media trusts the CIA. There are rumors
> that the Washington Post and the New York Times
> are illegally subsidized by the CIA.
>
> An atrocious CIA (OSS) behavior was when they helped
> the Viet Minh (Viet Cong) and urged the Annamese to
> "kill all the French",backstabbing France and Britain,
> formal allies. This helped start what was later
> called the Vietnam War.
>
> Re: Alms For Oblivion, by Peter Kemp

(Y. upload):

"#246 - I Love The CIA (with Whitney Webb) | The Tim Dillon Show"

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 04:07 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 04:08 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

- It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!

William F. Buckley, Jr.

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 06:30 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:12:39 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
>
> The news media trusts the CIA. There are
> rumors that the Washington Post and the
> New York Times are illegally subsidized by
> the CIA.

How would that be "illegal"? Presumably
the CIA operates out of a budget that is
reviewed and approved at some level,
even if not released publicly.

Just curious.

dk

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 by: gggg gggg - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 01:43 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:08:45 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> - It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!
>
> William F. Buckley, Jr.

When it comes to incompetence, the CIA is not alone:

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-agents-busted-wrong-hotel-204425744.html

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 02:08 UTC

On Tuesday, 4 April 2023 at 04:03:14 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all
> > over again. And please remember, these
> > are the days that the US meant well with
> > the rest of the world. That's long since
> > past.
> The US no longer knows the meaning of
> meaning. What else can one expect from
> a yoyocracy that turns around 180 degrees
> every 4 or 8 years, with every administration
> spending utmost effort to undo what the
> previous one had done, rather than working
> towards long term national goals and interests?
>
> Defense, energy, transportation, communications,
> foreign policy, commerce, banking and fiscal policy
> all need long term planning beyond the horizon of
> another domestic election cycle.
>
> I suppose Frank will correct me and remind
> us all that the most effective path to avoiding
> chaos is ..... chaos! The Gosple according to
> Hayek! ;-)
>
> dk

This is more of the kind of leadership that is badly missing now. Strong, intelligent, articulate and direct.

https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA

Ray Hall, Taree

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From: dan.ko...@gmail.com (Dan Koren)
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 by: Dan Koren - Fri, 7 Apr 2023 02:46 UTC

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 4 April 2023 at 04:03:14 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > > Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> > >
> > > It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all
> > > over again. And please remember, these
> > > are the days that the US meant well with
> > > the rest of the world. That's long since
> > > past.
> >
> > The US no longer knows the meaning of
> > meaning. What else can one expect from
> > a yoyocracy that turns around 180 degrees
> > every 4 or 8 years, with every administration
> > spending utmost effort to undo what the
> > previous one had done, rather than working
> > towards long term national goals and interests?
> >
> > Defense, energy, transportation, communications,
> > foreign policy, commerce, banking and fiscal policy
> > all need long term planning beyond the horizon of
> > another domestic election cycle.
> >
> > I suppose Frank will correct me and remind
> > us all that the most effective path to avoiding
> > chaos is ..... chaos! The Gosple according to
> > Hayek! ;-)
>
> This is more of the kind of leadership
> that is badly missing now. Strong,
> intelligent, articulate and direct.
>
> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA

Thanks for posting. LKY was
unquestionably the greatest
statesman (er, person) of the
20th century.

dk

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:13 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7 wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

(Y. upload):

"JFK, the Mob and the CIA (1988)"

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 02:36 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:08:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> - It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!
>
> William F. Buckley, Jr.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/10/has-the-cia-done-more-harm-than-good

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 02:38 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
>
> Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/09/how-assassination-became-policy-at-the-cia/

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 by: gggg gggg - Thu, 13 Apr 2023 02:40 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/10/an-interview-with-jefferson-morley-on-the-cia-nixon-and-the-assassination-of-jfk/

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 by: gggg gggg - Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:13 UTC

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:13:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> > >
> > > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> > Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?
> (Y. upload):
>
> "JFK, the Mob and the CIA (1988)"

(2023 Y. upload):

"NEW CLUES On Oswald's CIA Link REVEALED In JFK Docs | Counter Points"

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 by: gggg gggg - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 20:52 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/jfk-assassination-john-mccone-warren-commission-cia-213197/

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 26 Apr 2023 03:09 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> >
> > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

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 by: gggg gggg - Wed, 10 May 2023 08:22 UTC

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:10:02 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU
> > >
> > > Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
> > Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?
> (2023 Y. upload):
>
> "JRE | CIA's involvement in JFK Assassination"

"Robert Kennedy Jr. sees ‘overwhelming evidence’ CIA involved in JFK assassination":

https://news.yahoo.com/robert-kennedy-jr-sees-overwhelming-155730706.html

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