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* OT: Lee Kuan Yew interview touching on Vietnam WarDan Koren
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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 22:32 UTC

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
>

20+ years later:

https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk

IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
greatest head of state of the
1900s -- bt very very very far.

No other nation accomplished
what Singapore accomplished
in 50 years under his leadership.

dk

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 by: Graham - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 22:37 UTC

On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
>>
>
> 20+ years later:
>
> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
>
> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> greatest head of state of the
> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
>
> No other nation accomplished
> what Singapore accomplished
> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
>
> dk
Corrected it for you:-)

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 by: Dan Koren - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 22:45 UTC

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> >>
> >
> > 20+ years later:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> >
> > IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> > greatest head of state of the
> > 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> >
> > No other nation accomplished
> > what Singapore accomplished
> > in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
>
> Corrected it for you:-)

Absolutely false. Have you ever
been to Singapore? Did you ever
ask Singaporeans about the
supposed "dictatorship"?

dk

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 by: Bob Harper - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 17:28 UTC

On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
>> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
>>>>
>>>
>>> 20+ years later:
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
>>>
>>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
>>> greatest head of state of the
>>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
>>>
>>> No other nation accomplished
>>> what Singapore accomplished
>>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
>>
>> Corrected it for you:-)
>
> Absolutely false. Have you ever
> been to Singapore? Did you ever
> ask Singaporeans about the
> supposed "dictatorship"?
>
> dk
>
>
Dan, regardless of LKY's success in building Singapore (which I agree
was amazing), that he was in all relevant respects an authoritarian or
perhaps a 'benevolent dictator' is beyond peradventure.

Bob Harper

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 17:50 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:28:09 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 20+ years later:
> >>>
> >>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> >>>
> >>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> >>> greatest head of state of the
> >>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> >>>
> >>> No other nation accomplished
> >>> what Singapore accomplished
> >>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
> >>
> >> Corrected it for you:-)
> >
> > Absolutely false. Have you ever
> > been to Singapore? Did you ever
> > ask Singaporeans about the
> > supposed "dictatorship"?
>
> Dan, regardless of LKY's success in
> building Singapore (which I agree
> was amazing), that he was in all
> relevant respects an authoritarian
> or perhaps a 'benevolent dictator'
> is beyond peradventure.
>

You really do not know your facts
(or maybe you know YOUR FAXES)
and do not even understand the
meaning of the words DICTATOR
or DICTATORSHIP.

Can you provide the name(s) of
any person(s) who were jailed,
persecuted, or fired from their
job(s) for disagreeing with LKY?

I am holding my breath .....

The fact Singapore had/has some
laws that do/did not align with US
notions of democracy does not
make it a dictatorship.

One should also remember that
Singapore's legal framework was
inherited from Malaysia, which
in turn inherited its legal system
from ..... the UK ?!?

Please review your history.

The US media painted Singapore
a lot darker than it is/was because
of pressure from the government
and the CIA, who were worried LKY
might tilt towards China and wanted
to be able to build a case just in case
they might decide to replace him. This
is beyond debate, and pretty obvious
from some of the interviews I posted.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:47 UTC

Bob Harper schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 19:28:09 UTC+2:
> On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 20+ years later:
> >>>
> >>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> >>>
> >>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> >>> greatest head of state of the
> >>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> >>>
> >>> No other nation accomplished
> >>> what Singapore accomplished
> >>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
> >>
> >> Corrected it for you:-)
> >
> > Absolutely false. Have you ever
> > been to Singapore? Did you ever
> > ask Singaporeans about the
> > supposed "dictatorship"?
> >
> > dk
> >
> >
> Dan, regardless of LKY's success in building Singapore (which I agree
> was amazing), that he was in all relevant respects an authoritarian or
> perhaps a 'benevolent dictator' is beyond peradventure.
>
> Bob Harper

In Dan's world Netanyahu has dictatorial aims for which he demonizes him, but LKY is ofc not a dictator and is endorsed - hehe.

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:48 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 19:50:16 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:28:09 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> > On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > >> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 20+ years later:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> > >>>
> > >>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> > >>> greatest head of state of the
> > >>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> > >>>
> > >>> No other nation accomplished
> > >>> what Singapore accomplished
> > >>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
> > >>
> > >> Corrected it for you:-)
> > >
> > > Absolutely false. Have you ever
> > > been to Singapore? Did you ever
> > > ask Singaporeans about the
> > > supposed "dictatorship"?
> >
> > Dan, regardless of LKY's success in
> > building Singapore (which I agree
> > was amazing), that he was in all
> > relevant respects an authoritarian
> > or perhaps a 'benevolent dictator'
> > is beyond peradventure.
> >
> You really do not know your facts
> (or maybe you know YOUR FAXES)
> and do not even understand the
> meaning of the words DICTATOR
> or DICTATORSHIP.
>
> Can you provide the name(s) of
> any person(s) who were jailed,
> persecuted, or fired from their
> job(s) for disagreeing with LKY?
>
> I am holding my breath .....
>
> The fact Singapore had/has some
> laws that do/did not align with US
> notions of democracy does not
> make it a dictatorship.
>
> One should also remember that
> Singapore's legal framework was
> inherited from Malaysia, which
> in turn inherited its legal system
> from ..... the UK ?!?
>
> Please review your history.
>
> The US media painted Singapore
> a lot darker than it is/was because
> of pressure from the government
> and the CIA, who were worried LKY
> might tilt towards China and wanted
> to be able to build a case just in case
> they might decide to replace him. This
> is beyond debate, and pretty obvious
> from some of the interviews I posted.
>
> dk

Dan, I didn't make it through all of this shit, but let me kindly remind you, that you are not a Singaporean and that LKY is not your Führer - no matter how much you wish this to be true.

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 by: Dan Koren - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 18:51 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 19:50:16 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:28:09 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > > >> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > >>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 20+ years later:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> > > >>>
> > > >>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> > > >>> greatest head of state of the
> > > >>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No other nation accomplished
> > > >>> what Singapore accomplished
> > > >>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
> > > >>
> > > >> Corrected it for you:-)
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely false. Have you ever
> > > > been to Singapore? Did you ever
> > > > ask Singaporeans about the
> > > > supposed "dictatorship"?
> > >
> > > Dan, regardless of LKY's success in
> > > building Singapore (which I agree
> > > was amazing), that he was in all
> > > relevant respects an authoritarian
> > > or perhaps a 'benevolent dictator'
> > > is beyond peradventure.
> > >
> > You really do not know your facts
> > (or maybe you know YOUR FAXES)
> > and do not even understand the
> > meaning of the words DICTATOR
> > or DICTATORSHIP.
> >
> > Can you provide the name(s) of
> > any person(s) who were jailed,
> > persecuted, or fired from their
> > job(s) for disagreeing with LKY?
> >
> > I am holding my breath .....
> >
> > The fact Singapore had/has some
> > laws that do/did not align with US
> > notions of democracy does not
> > make it a dictatorship.
> >
> > One should also remember that
> > Singapore's legal framework was
> > inherited from Malaysia, which
> > in turn inherited its legal system
> > from ..... the UK ?!?
> >
> > Please review your history.
> >
> > The US media painted Singapore
> > a lot darker than it is/was because
> > of pressure from the government
> > and the CIA, who were worried LKY
> > might tilt towards China and wanted
> > to be able to build a case just in case
> > they might decide to replace him. This
> > is beyond debate, and pretty obvious
> > from some of the interviews I posted.
>
> Dan, I didn't make it through all of this shit,

Maybe you should.

> but let me kindly remind you, that you are
> not a Singaporean

How would one know?

> and that LKY is not your Führer - no matter
> how much you wish this to be true.

I never looked for "Führers".
Stop projecting yourself on
the rest of the universe.

dk

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:47:09 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> In Dan's world Netanyahu has dictatorial
> aims for which he demonizes him, but
> LKY is ofc not a dictator and is endorsed

LKY built a nation, while Netanyahu
is destroying his. You are really a
completely brainfucked imbecile.

Netanyahu has fired government
officials for not agreeing with him.

If this isn't dictatorship, then what is?

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:07 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 20:51:40 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 19:50:16 UTC+2:
> > > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:28:09 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > > On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > > > >> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > >>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 20+ years later:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> > > > >>> greatest head of state of the
> > > > >>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> No other nation accomplished
> > > > >>> what Singapore accomplished
> > > > >>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Corrected it for you:-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Absolutely false. Have you ever
> > > > > been to Singapore? Did you ever
> > > > > ask Singaporeans about the
> > > > > supposed "dictatorship"?
> > > >
> > > > Dan, regardless of LKY's success in
> > > > building Singapore (which I agree
> > > > was amazing), that he was in all
> > > > relevant respects an authoritarian
> > > > or perhaps a 'benevolent dictator'
> > > > is beyond peradventure.
> > > >
> > > You really do not know your facts
> > > (or maybe you know YOUR FAXES)
> > > and do not even understand the
> > > meaning of the words DICTATOR
> > > or DICTATORSHIP.
> > >
> > > Can you provide the name(s) of
> > > any person(s) who were jailed,
> > > persecuted, or fired from their
> > > job(s) for disagreeing with LKY?
> > >
> > > I am holding my breath .....
> > >
> > > The fact Singapore had/has some
> > > laws that do/did not align with US
> > > notions of democracy does not
> > > make it a dictatorship.
> > >
> > > One should also remember that
> > > Singapore's legal framework was
> > > inherited from Malaysia, which
> > > in turn inherited its legal system
> > > from ..... the UK ?!?
> > >
> > > Please review your history.
> > >
> > > The US media painted Singapore
> > > a lot darker than it is/was because
> > > of pressure from the government
> > > and the CIA, who were worried LKY
> > > might tilt towards China and wanted
> > > to be able to build a case just in case
> > > they might decide to replace him. This
> > > is beyond debate, and pretty obvious
> > > from some of the interviews I posted.
> >
> > Dan, I didn't make it through all of this shit,
> Maybe you should.

I trust my judgement more than yours.

> > but let me kindly remind you, that you are
> > not a Singaporean
> How would one know?

You once showed me proof in a private mail... in a desperate attempt to prove me your nationality - which I never doubted.

> > and that LKY is not your Führer - no matter
> > how much you wish this to be true.
> I never looked for "Führers".
> Stop projecting yourself on
> the rest of the universe.

I think you are the one projecting a whole lot here... you have this weird fetish about asia, a place you imagine things to be perfect or at least better... maybe not generally, but specifically wrt some countries. You are the one idolizing a dictator - not me.

BTW I think Singapore looks like shit; I was there twice as a child. Ofc it's clean... but there is no life in the buildings imo. It all looks so clean and lifeless; totally different from Korea, Japan or HK.

>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:10 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 20:55:07 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:47:09 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > In Dan's world Netanyahu has dictatorial
> > aims for which he demonizes him, but
> > LKY is ofc not a dictator and is endorsed
> LKY built a nation, while Netanyahu
> is destroying his. You are really a
> completely brainfucked imbecile.
>
> Netanyahu has fired government
> officials for not agreeing with him.
>
> If this isn't dictatorship, then what is?

That is not dictatorship. You have to view this case specifically.

What about the governmental control over the media in Singapore you fool.

>
> dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:13 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 20:55:07 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:47:09 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > In Dan's world Netanyahu has dictatorial
> > aims for which he demonizes him, but
> > LKY is ofc not a dictator and is endorsed
> LKY built a nation, while Netanyahu
> is destroying his.

This ofc is not true, but why would debate this with a lunatic like you?

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:07:50 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> > > but let me kindly remind you, that you are
> > > not a Singaporean
> >
> > How would one know?
>
> You once showed me proof in a private mail...
> in a desperate attempt to prove me your
> nationality - which I never doubted.

I showed you evidence I was born in
Romania, no less and no more. This
does not mean I am Romanian -- I
am not. It also does not mean one
may not have acquired additional
residences or citizenships. You
obviously cannot read English.

> you have this weird fetish about asia, a
> place you imagine things to be perfect
> or at least better... maybe not generally,
> but specifically wrt some countries.

I have no fetishes about anything. There
are plenty of things I like in Asian cultures,
as there are plenty of things I dislike. What
one believes about Singapore or not does
not change the fact that Singapore has
managed to accomplish since 1965 is
unprocedented by any objective metric.

> BTW I think Singapore looks like shit; I
> was there twice as a child.

Then you probably knew shit very well.
Do you still wear your diapers?

> Ofc it's clean... but there is no life in the
> buildings imo. It all looks so clean and
> lifeless; totally different from Korea,
> Japan or HK.

They probably didn't let you in.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:17 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 21:07:50 UTC+2:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 20:51:40 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 19:50:16 UTC+2:
> > > > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 10:28:09 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > > > On 4/2/23 3:45 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2023-04-02 4:32 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 20+ years later:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> https://youtu.be/_KrKdj50mPk
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> IMHO Lee Kuan Yew was the
> > > > > >>> greatest head of state of the
> > > > > >>> 1900s -- bt very very very far.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> No other nation accomplished
> > > > > >>> what Singapore accomplished
> > > > > >>> in 50 years under his Dictatorship.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Corrected it for you:-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Absolutely false. Have you ever
> > > > > > been to Singapore? Did you ever
> > > > > > ask Singaporeans about the
> > > > > > supposed "dictatorship"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan, regardless of LKY's success in
> > > > > building Singapore (which I agree
> > > > > was amazing), that he was in all
> > > > > relevant respects an authoritarian
> > > > > or perhaps a 'benevolent dictator'
> > > > > is beyond peradventure.
> > > > >
> > > > You really do not know your facts
> > > > (or maybe you know YOUR FAXES)
> > > > and do not even understand the
> > > > meaning of the words DICTATOR
> > > > or DICTATORSHIP.
> > > >
> > > > Can you provide the name(s) of
> > > > any person(s) who were jailed,
> > > > persecuted, or fired from their
> > > > job(s) for disagreeing with LKY?
> > > >
> > > > I am holding my breath .....
> > > >
> > > > The fact Singapore had/has some
> > > > laws that do/did not align with US
> > > > notions of democracy does not
> > > > make it a dictatorship.
> > > >
> > > > One should also remember that
> > > > Singapore's legal framework was
> > > > inherited from Malaysia, which
> > > > in turn inherited its legal system
> > > > from ..... the UK ?!?
> > > >
> > > > Please review your history.
> > > >
> > > > The US media painted Singapore
> > > > a lot darker than it is/was because
> > > > of pressure from the government
> > > > and the CIA, who were worried LKY
> > > > might tilt towards China and wanted
> > > > to be able to build a case just in case
> > > > they might decide to replace him. This
> > > > is beyond debate, and pretty obvious
> > > > from some of the interviews I posted.
> > >
> > > Dan, I didn't make it through all of this shit,
> > Maybe you should.
> I trust my judgement more than yours.
> > > but let me kindly remind you, that you are
> > > not a Singaporean
> > How would one know?
> You once showed me proof in a private mail... in a desperate attempt to prove me your nationality - which I never doubted.

*To explain: Dan out of nowhere sent me a picture of his passport in an E-Mail to prove me his nationality...

I never asked for this shit and I never doubted it... Seems as if I have gotten under his skin in some way; why would he care so much that he would sent me a picture of his passport - wtf... what a crazy guy.

> > > and that LKY is not your Führer - no matter
> > > how much you wish this to be true.
> > I never looked for "Führers".
> > Stop projecting yourself on
> > the rest of the universe.
> I think you are the one projecting a whole lot here... you have this weird fetish about asia, a place you imagine things to be perfect or at least better... maybe not generally, but specifically wrt some countries. You are the one idolizing a dictator - not me.
>
> BTW I think Singapore looks like shit; I was there twice as a child. Ofc it's clean... but there is no life in the buildings imo. It all looks so clean and lifeless; totally different from Korea, Japan or HK.
>
> >
> > dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 19:18 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 21:16:41 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:07:50 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > > > but let me kindly remind you, that you are
> > > > not a Singaporean
> > >
> > > How would one know?
> >
> > You once showed me proof in a private mail...
> > in a desperate attempt to prove me your
> > nationality - which I never doubted.
> I showed you evidence I was born in
> Romania, no less and no more. This
> does not mean I am Romanian -- I
> am not. It also does not mean one
> may not have acquired additional
> residences or citizenships. You
> obviously cannot read English.
> > you have this weird fetish about asia, a
> > place you imagine things to be perfect
> > or at least better... maybe not generally,
> > but specifically wrt some countries.
> I have no fetishes about anything. There
> are plenty of things I like in Asian cultures,
> as there are plenty of things I dislike. What
> one believes about Singapore or not does
> not change the fact that Singapore has
> managed to accomplish since 1965 is
> unprocedented by any objective metric.
> > BTW I think Singapore looks like shit; I
> > was there twice as a child.
> Then you probably knew shit very well.
> Do you still wear your diapers?
> > Ofc it's clean... but there is no life in the
> > buildings imo. It all looks so clean and
> > lifeless; totally different from Korea,
> > Japan or HK.
> They probably didn't let you in.
>
> dk

My dear friend... I am not reading any of this any further...

It's not my fault you are too stupid to realize that LKY was a dictator.

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
>
> It's not my fault you are too stupid
> to realize that LKY was a dictator.

Curiously, no one in Singapore
noticed it either.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 22:57:45 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > It's not my fault you are too stupid
> > to realize that LKY was a dictator.
> Curiously, no one in Singapore
> noticed it either.
>
> dk

Funny cause I heard Singaporeans themselves say that he was a dictator - all of the times though they still seemed to view him positively majorly.
And this is a problem you idiot. You should not idealize this, even if he did good things...

You seem to screw around with definitions of words just as you wish - truly characteristic of your deranged mindset that also equates Netanyahu with Putin.
According to objective standards he was a dictator - whether the Singaporeans liked him or not, does not matter in the slightest you god damn idiot.

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 22:57:45 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > It's not my fault you are too stupid
> > > to realize that LKY was a dictator.
> >
> > Curiously, no one in Singapore
> > noticed it either.
>
> Funny cause I heard Singaporeans
> themselves say that he was a dictator -

Can you provide a single example of
a person jailed, or fired from a state
job for disagreeing with LKY? That
would be DICTATORSHIP.

People use terms like "Nazi", "Fascist"
or "Dictator" coloquially all the time.
Don't pretend you don't know.

One of the classic sayings in the SW
and computer industries is "In God
we trust -- everyone else bring data!".

You are a pluted brainfucked imbecile.

dk

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 by: Marc S - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 22:21 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 23:29:36 UTC+2:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 22:57:45 UTC+2:
> > > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's not my fault you are too stupid
> > > > to realize that LKY was a dictator.
> > >
> > > Curiously, no one in Singapore
> > > noticed it either.
> >
> > Funny cause I heard Singaporeans
> > themselves say that he was a dictator -
> Can you provide a single example of
> a person jailed, or fired from a state
> job for disagreeing with LKY? That
> would be DICTATORSHIP.

Look I'm not here to teach you how a dictatorship or a dictator is defined.

I am also not here to look things up for you; as far as I know dissidents were silenced (quite a while ago since I read about it), but not in a "mean" manner, but a "soft" dictatorship is a still a dictatorship. And I don't think it's good, and as it seems the dictatorship still lives on in some ways. He surely has done good things, but he still was a dictator and I think Singapore "as a whole" is wrong... like I said... very lifeless. It's as if LKY's way with things sort of made all things a bit too clinical... and also fake.

There are many Singaporeans who will agree with me that he was a dictator you idiot - most of them will like him, as they are brainwashed... just like you wrt Israel. You go live in your fantasy world behind your scuba mask.

>
> People use terms like "Nazi", "Fascist"
> or "Dictator" coloquially all the time.
> Don't pretend you don't know.

Well I don't use those terms coloquially and I don't think it would make sense to do so. And your argument has nothing to do with what I said you fool..

>
> One of the classic sayings in the SW
> and computer industries is "In God
> we trust -- everyone else bring data!".

Well, I believe you lack the intellect to interpret data in any meaningful way - proof besides of your obvious idiocy: your covid data "analysis"... so all data will be useless.

>
> You are a pluted brainfucked imbecile.

And you are a self-hating Jew who should do teshuvah for being such an idiot! Hehe

>
> dk

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I do not have horse in this race, but I asked openAI the question... "Was Lee Kuan Yew a dictator?" and the answer was as follows...

"Lee Kuan Yew, who served as the first Prime Minister of Singapore from 1959 to 1990, is often characterized as a strong and authoritarian leader. However, whether he was a dictator is a matter of debate.

Lee Kuan Yew was known for his strict policies and for taking a firm hand in governing Singapore, which included restrictions on the media, limitations on political opposition, and strict laws on public order. However, he also oversaw significant economic and social progress in Singapore during his tenure, turning it into a prosperous and developed nation.

Some argue that Lee Kuan Yew's leadership style was necessary to transform Singapore from a poor and unstable country into a prosperous and stable one, while others contend that his policies stifled political dissent and civil liberties.

Ultimately, whether Lee Kuan Yew was a dictator or not depends on how one defines the term. Some would argue that his authoritarian tendencies and strong-arm tactics make him a dictator, while others would say that his actions were necessary for the greater good of Singapore."

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:39:27 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> I do not have horse in this race, but I asked openAI the question... "Was Lee Kuan Yew a dictator?" and the answer was as follows...
>
> "Lee Kuan Yew, who served as the first Prime Minister of Singapore from 1959 to 1990, is often characterized as a strong and authoritarian leader. However, whether he was a dictator is a matter of debate.
>
> Lee Kuan Yew was known for his strict policies and for taking a firm hand in governing Singapore, which included restrictions on the media, limitations on political opposition, and strict laws on public order. However, he also oversaw significant economic and social progress in Singapore during his tenure, turning it into a prosperous and developed nation.
>
> Some argue that Lee Kuan Yew's leadership style was necessary to transform Singapore from a poor and unstable country into a prosperous and stable one, while others contend that his policies stifled political dissent and civil liberties.
>
> Ultimately, whether Lee Kuan Yew was a dictator or not depends on how one defines the term. Some would argue that his authoritarian tendencies and strong-arm tactics make him a dictator, while others would say that his actions were necessary for the greater good of Singapore."

Could you ask it the question--what is the future of classical music recordings?

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 5:56:47 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:39:27 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > I do not have horse in this race, but I asked openAI the question... "Was Lee Kuan Yew a dictator?" and the answer was as follows...
> >
> > "Lee Kuan Yew, who served as the first Prime Minister of Singapore from 1959 to 1990, is often characterized as a strong and authoritarian leader. However, whether he was a dictator is a matter of debate.
> >
> > Lee Kuan Yew was known for his strict policies and for taking a firm hand in governing Singapore, which included restrictions on the media, limitations on political opposition, and strict laws on public order. However, he also oversaw significant economic and social progress in Singapore during his tenure, turning it into a prosperous and developed nation.
> >
> > Some argue that Lee Kuan Yew's leadership style was necessary to transform Singapore from a poor and unstable country into a prosperous and stable one, while others contend that his policies stifled political dissent and civil liberties.
> >
> > Ultimately, whether Lee Kuan Yew was a dictator or not depends on how one defines the term. Some would argue that his authoritarian tendencies and strong-arm tactics make him a dictator, while others would say that his actions were necessary for the greater good of Singapore."

> Could you ask it the question--what is the future of classical music recordings?

Sure. Go ahead...

https://chat.openai.com/chat

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Subject: Re: OT: Lee Kuan Yew interview touching on Vietnam War
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 by: gggg gggg - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:53 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 6:34:16 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 5:56:47 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:39:27 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > I do not have horse in this race, but I asked openAI the question... "Was Lee Kuan Yew a dictator?" and the answer was as follows...
> > >
> > > "Lee Kuan Yew, who served as the first Prime Minister of Singapore from 1959 to 1990, is often characterized as a strong and authoritarian leader. However, whether he was a dictator is a matter of debate.
> > >
> > > Lee Kuan Yew was known for his strict policies and for taking a firm hand in governing Singapore, which included restrictions on the media, limitations on political opposition, and strict laws on public order. However, he also oversaw significant economic and social progress in Singapore during his tenure, turning it into a prosperous and developed nation.
> > >
> > > Some argue that Lee Kuan Yew's leadership style was necessary to transform Singapore from a poor and unstable country into a prosperous and stable one, while others contend that his policies stifled political dissent and civil liberties.
> > >
> > > Ultimately, whether Lee Kuan Yew was a dictator or not depends on how one defines the term. Some would argue that his authoritarian tendencies and strong-arm tactics make him a dictator, while others would say that his actions were necessary for the greater good of Singapore."
>
> > Could you ask it the question--what is the future of classical music recordings?
> Sure. Go ahead...
>
> https://chat.openai.com/chat

Thank you. I couldn't sign up because I don't have a phone.


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