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On Thursday, February 20, 2014 at 7:51:41 PM UTC-8, viveoi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to start exploring the Bach recordings world in a bit more depth after sticking with Goulds Goldberg, Art of Fugue etc. for a long time - now I'm up to a change. For the Goldberg Variations, I have received the following suggestions: Schiff, Tureck, Perahia. It was hard on the first try to get used to these guys, especially Tureck, after knowing Gould almost by heart but they seemed interesting. Do you guys have any other recommendations?
>
> As a matter of personal taste I also somehow really liked some of Richters WTC a lot, although its more on the romantic side. But that's maybe cause I generally like what Richter does and is totally subjective ...
>
> Thanks in advance!

(2022 Youtube upload):

"J. S. Bach - Goldberg Variations BWV 988- David Fray"

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 by: Andy Evans - Fri, 31 Mar 2023 15:51 UTC

Re-starting this thread to look at available recordings. I haven't read the whole thread yet but will try to do so. Anyway, these are the ones I've chosen to listen to on YouTube. I generally favour the piano, so these are pianists. By all means suggest others....

Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUw
Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
Nikolaeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ

Your favourites are awaited with interest!

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On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:51:26 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> Re-starting this thread to look at available recordings. I haven't read the whole thread yet but will try to do so. Anyway, these are the ones I've chosen to listen to on YouTube. I generally favour the piano, so these are pianists. By all means suggest others....
>
> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
> Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
> Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUw
> Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
> Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
> Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
> Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
> Nikolaeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
>
> Your favourites are awaited with interest!

Burkard Schliessmann

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On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > Your favourites are awaited with interest!
> Burkard Schliessmann

Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.

My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple of variations. Sure to change....

Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
Schepkin
Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
Gould 1959
Gould 1981

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On 2023-03-31 9:51 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
> Re-starting this thread to look at available recordings. I haven't read the whole thread yet but will try to do so. Anyway, these are the ones I've chosen to listen to on YouTube. I generally favour the piano, so these are pianists. By all means suggest others....
>
> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
> Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
> Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUw
> Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
> Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
> Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
> Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
> Nikolaeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
>
> Your favourites are awaited with interest!

After listening to Tureck, I can favour just about any version apart
from Kempff.

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Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 18:37:22 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > > Your favourites are awaited with interest!
> > Burkard Schliessmann
> Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.
>
> My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple of variations. Sure to change....
>
> Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
> Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
> Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
> Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
> Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
> Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
> Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
> Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
> Schepkin
> Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
> Gould 1959
> Gould 1981

No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.

The performances left after the second round included those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka, Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered several criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and recording quality.

It struck me that all these performers considered Book I to be a cohesive work, leading to consistent interpretations. Therefore, the larger work determines the interpretation of each prelude and fugue. After comparing 12 preludes and fugues, I eliminated the more general interpretations and kept the more personal ones: those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Gould, Fischer, and Ugorskaja.

In the end, Barenboim's performance turned out to be the most romantic and layered, while Crochet's approach is closest to my ideal (crystal clear and elegant). Feinberg's interpretation is as eccentric as Gould's but even more unpredictable, and Fischer's playing is extremely light and fast in contrast to Ugorskaja's heavy, slow, and serious approach.

Henk

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On Saturday, 1 April 2023 at 11:22:18 UTC+1, HT wrote:
> No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.
> Henk

Yes - I don't listen much to the Goldbergs and the 48 is a much better work altogether. My choices for the 48 are the polar opposite of yours - nothing remotely romantic but no Gould either.

Tharaud is coming out top for me so far in the Goldbergs, but I have plenty more to listen to and both Tipo and Perahia sounded nice in the first couple of variations. No Gould, not even 1955.

> > Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8

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Op zaterdag 1 april 2023 om 12:54:17 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
> On Saturday, 1 April 2023 at 11:22:18 UTC+1, HT wrote:
> > No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.
> > Henk
>
> Yes - I don't listen much to the Goldbergs and the 48 is a much better work altogether. My choices for the 48 are the polar opposite of yours - nothing remotely romantic but no Gould either.
>
> Tharaud is coming out top for me so far in the Goldbergs, but I have plenty more to listen to and both Tipo and Perahia sounded nice in the first couple of variations. No Gould, not even 1955.

<g> It's always a pleasure to disagree with you.

At the top of my Goldberg list, you'll find all the versions by Gould and Weissenberg. From your list, I'll probably borrow Dershavina and Tipo. I have no specific problems with the rest, except for Koriolov and Schepkin. They are completely nondescript.

Henk

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OK chaps, what about Haskell Small

https://open.spotify.com/album/3ei2P7fDNNnBkOQxshlpqt

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Or Pietro de Maria

https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO

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 by: Mandryka - Sat, 1 Apr 2023 13:57 UTC

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:56:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> Or Pietro de Maria
>
> https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO

Or Pi-Hsien Chen

https://open.spotify.com/album/0tyFJivBw3XtvPIYQvQYJc?highlight=spotify:track:1Cw6iHjvy31deovKKYRcoK

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 by: Mandryka - Sat, 1 Apr 2023 14:01 UTC

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:57:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:56:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > Or Pietro de Maria
> >
> > https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO
> Or Pi-Hsien Chen
>
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Or Andrea Bachetti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WOImiq7TQ&ab_channel=RenatoPezzato

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Op zaterdag 1 april 2023 om 15:57:50 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:56:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
> > Or Pietro de Maria
> >
> > https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO
> Or Pi-Hsien Chen
>
> https://open.spotify.com/album/0tyFJivBw3XtvPIYQvQYJc?highlight=spotify:track:1Cw6iHjvy31deovKKYRcoK

She deserves a revisit.

Henk

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 by: Graham - Sat, 1 Apr 2023 22:41 UTC

On 2023-04-01 4:22 a.m., HT wrote:
> Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 18:37:22 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
>> On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
>>>> Your favourites are awaited with interest!
>>> Burkard Schliessmann
>> Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.
>>
>> My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple of variations. Sure to change....
>>
>> Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
>> Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
>> Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
>> Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
>> Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
>> Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
>> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
>> Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
>> Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
>> Schepkin
>> Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
>> Gould 1959
>> Gould 1981
>
> No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.
>
> The performances left after the second round included those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka, Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered several criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and recording quality.
>
> It struck me that all these performers considered Book I to be a cohesive work, leading to consistent interpretations. Therefore, the larger work determines the interpretation of each prelude and fugue. After comparing 12 preludes and fugues, I eliminated the more general interpretations and kept the more personal ones: those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Gould, Fischer, and Ugorskaja.
>
> In the end, Barenboim's performance turned out to be the most romantic and layered, while Crochet's approach is closest to my ideal (crystal clear and elegant). Feinberg's interpretation is as eccentric as Gould's but even more unpredictable, and Fischer's playing is extremely light and fast in contrast to Ugorskaja's heavy, slow, and serious approach.
>
> Henk
>

(IIRC) Konstantin Lifschitz' recording received wide praise when it was
issued as he was 17 at the time. I haven't been able to find it. Have
you heard it?

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On 2023-04-01 4:41 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2023-04-01 4:22 a.m., HT wrote:
>> Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 18:37:22 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
>>> On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
>>>>> Your favourites are awaited with interest!
>>>> Burkard Schliessmann
>>> Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.
>>>
>>> My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple
>>> of variations. Sure to change....
>>>
>>> Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
>>> Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
>>> Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
>>> Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
>>> Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
>>> Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
>>> Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
>>> Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
>>> Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
>>> Schepkin
>>> Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
>>> Gould 1959
>>> Gould 1981
>>
>> No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive
>> criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in
>> Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.
>>
>> The performances left after the second round included those by
>> Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka,
>> Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each
>> performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered several
>> criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and
>> recording quality.
>>
>> It struck me that all these performers considered Book I to be a
>> cohesive work, leading to consistent interpretations. Therefore, the
>> larger work determines the interpretation of each prelude and fugue.
>> After comparing 12 preludes and fugues, I eliminated the more general
>> interpretations and kept the more personal ones: those by Barenboim,
>> Crochet, Feinberg, Gould, Fischer, and Ugorskaja.
>>
>> In the end, Barenboim's performance turned out to be the most romantic
>> and layered, while Crochet's approach is closest to my ideal (crystal
>> clear and elegant). Feinberg's interpretation is as eccentric as
>> Gould's but even more unpredictable, and Fischer's playing is
>> extremely light and fast in contrast to Ugorskaja's heavy, slow, and
>> serious approach.
>>
>> Henk
>>
>
> (IIRC) Konstantin Lifschitz' recording received wide praise when it was
> issued as he was 17 at the time. I haven't been able to find it. Have
> you heard it?
>
I should have used "hadn't" as Presto has it.

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 by: Al Eisner - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 03:24 UTC

On Sat, 1 Apr 2023, HT wrote:

> The performances left after the second round included those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka, Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered several criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and recording quality.

Nope, no from me; I haven't paricipated in this WTC discussion. (Andy
has the same initials, perhaps him?)
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Al Eisner
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