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* RIP...MELMOTH
+* Re: RIP...Andy Evans
|`* Re: RIP...Herman
| `* Re: RIP...Herman
|  `- Re: RIP...Dan Koren
+* Re: RIP...HT
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||  +* Re: RIP...Oscar
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||  |    |   |   | |   `- Re: RIP...raymond....@gmail.com
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||  |    |   `- Re: RIP...Gerard
||  |    `* Re: RIP...Dan Koren
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||  `* Re: RIP...Andy Evans
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|`- Re: RIP...Mandryka
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`- Re: RIP...Mandryka

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Subject: RIP...
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 by: MELMOTH - Wed, 17 May 2023 17:42 UTC

*Ingrid HAEBLER*...

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On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 18:42:31 UTC+1, MELMOTH wrote:
> *Ingrid HAEBLER*...

I didn't realise she was still around. 93 this year. Really from a bygone age of pianism. I never listened to her - not my repertoire.

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 by: Herman - Wed, 17 May 2023 18:56 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:41:00 PM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 18:42:31 UTC+1, MELMOTH wrote:
> > *Ingrid HAEBLER*...
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> I didn't realise she was still around.

My thoughts exactly. I used to have her Mozart and Schubert on vinyl.

She was proverbial in sticking with a publicity picture from when she was young.

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Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 19:42:31 UTC+2 schreef MELMOTH:
> *Ingrid HAEBLER*...

I'm sorry to hear that. Her Chopin nocturnes were good. Very refined playing.

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 20:34 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:42:31 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
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> *Ingrid HAEBLER*...

Far too late.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 20:36 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 12:08:45 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 19:42:31 UTC+2 schreef MELMOTH:
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> > *Ingrid HAEBLER*...
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> I'm sorry to hear that. Her Chopin
> nocturnes were good. Very refined
> playing.

You gotta be kidding. She could not
have recognized Chopin's music if
she stepped into it. Sewing machine.
Not even as good as Hatto.

dk

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 by: HT - Wed, 17 May 2023 21:54 UTC

Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 22:36:30 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:

> > I'm sorry to hear that. Her Chopin
> > nocturnes were good. Very refined
> > playing.
> You gotta be kidding. She could not
> have recognized Chopin's music if
> she stepped into it. Sewing machine.
> Not even as good as Hatto.

You have a peculiar view of Chopin, as if his music is a free-floating idea, understood by some and unattainable for others. Chopin has been interpreted in countless ways - only to become somewhat standardised after World War II, thanks to the proliferation of piano competitions.

Back to Haebler: a set of 58 CDs has been released with her performances. Quite an achievement. I would be surprised if there is even one performance on it that falls short. She was a very polished pianist and a true professional.
In those days I never expected that she had Chopin in her repertoire, let alone that she could play it so well - compared to Askenase and a few others..
Henk

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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:55:02 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 22:36:30 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > I'm sorry to hear that. Her Chopin
> > > nocturnes were good. Very refined
> > > playing.
> >
> > You gotta be kidding. She could not
> > have recognized Chopin's music if
> > she stepped into it. Sewing machine.
> > Not even as good as Hatto.
>
> You have a peculiar view of Chopin,

We all have "peculiar ideas". No one's
ideas are, or should be, normative.

> as if his music is a free-floating idea,

All music is a free floating idea until
it hits the keys. The greatest art is to
make art disappear. Chopin's music
should sound as if no one touched
the keys.

> understood by some and unattainable
> for others.

Isn't this true of all art?

> Chopin has been interpreted in countless
> ways -

Mostly bad ways.

> only to become somewhat standardised
> after World War II, thanks to the proliferation
> of piano competitions.

No different from most other composers.

> Back to Haebler: a set of 58 CDs has been
> released with her performances.

Quantity over quality.

> Quite an achievement.

Aided and abetted by Philips' marketing
machine and CD printing profficiency.

> I would be surprised if there is even
> one performance on it that falls short.

One should maybe listen first, and then
report how much surprise one heard.

> She was a very polished pianist and a
> true professional.

"Very polished true professional" pianists
do not necessarily add up to art. This is
the barest minimum level, isn't it?

> In those days I never expected that she
> had Chopin in her repertoire, let alone
> that she could play it so well -

Huh?

> compared to Askenase and a few others.

The minimum level of performance and
intepretation acceptable for the Nocturnes
are Brigitte Engerer and Maria Tipo:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlo-PCD3ICskqKpf710YGF7vcPI9lc35z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdHSV0Vz-4s

Haebler does not come close.

dk

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R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained in my CD purchases this year, but the one big box I have selected to add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the 'typewriter' accusation. Refined is the word that springs to mind when I recall what I have listened to, yet, yes, admittedly, not the final word on any of the repertoire. Just solid and honest playing, front to back, throughout the set.

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 04:18 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
>
> R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained
> in my CD purchases this year,

Good for you.

> but the one big box I have selected to
> add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler
> 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the
> 'typewriter' accusation.

Description, not accusation.

> Refined is the word that springs to mind
> when I recall what I have listened to, yet,
> yes, admittedly, not the final word on any
> of the repertoire.

Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during
the years BYT we were all restricted to
"dancing about architecture" when we
tried to describe music performances.

Nowadays, one can easily provide sound
exmples via YT, Spotify, Amazon Music,
or even upload recordings from one's
personal collection. Provide examples
of her playing that support your claims
of "refinement" -- or shut up.

Habler's Night Marches may be found
at https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ.

From the very note one immediately
hears the metronome and the stomp
on the keys. Not only is this not Chopin,
it isn't even music.

> Just solid and honest playing, front to
> back, throughout the set.

"Solid and honest" is no longer enough,
not even in sports.

dk

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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:18:22 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> >
> > R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained
> > in my CD purchases this year,

> Good for you.

> > but the one big box I have selected to
> > add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler
> > 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the
> > 'typewriter' accusation.

> Description, not accusation.

> > Refined is the word that springs to mind
> > when I recall what I have listened to, yet,
> > yes, admittedly, not the final word on any
> > of the repertoire.
>
> Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during
> the years BYT we were all restricted to
> "dancing about architecture" when we
> tried to describe music performances.
>
> Nowadays, one can easily provide sound
> exmples via YT, Spotify, Amazon Music,
> or even upload recordings from one's
> personal collection. Provide examples
> of her playing that support your claims
> of "refinement" -- or shut up.
>
> Habler's Night Marches may be found
> at https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ.
>
> From the very note one immediately
> hears the metronome and the stomp
> on the keys. Not only is this not Chopin,
> it isn't even music.
>
> > Just solid and honest playing, front to
> > back, throughout the set.
>
> "Solid and honest" is no longer enough,
> not even in sports.

Here is Haebler's "refined" Chopin, alla
marcia, martellato, boots on the keys:

https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ?t=2750

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 04:25 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:21:12 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:18:22 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > >
> > > R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained
> > > in my CD purchases this year,
>
> > Good for you.
>
> > > but the one big box I have selected to
> > > add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler
> > > 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the
> > > 'typewriter' accusation.
>
> > Description, not accusation.
>
> > > Refined is the word that springs to mind
> > > when I recall what I have listened to, yet,
> > > yes, admittedly, not the final word on any
> > > of the repertoire.
> >
> > Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during
> > the years BYT we were all restricted to
> > "dancing about architecture" when we
> > tried to describe music performances.
> >
> > Nowadays, one can easily provide sound
> > exmples via YT, Spotify, Amazon Music,
> > or even upload recordings from one's
> > personal collection. Provide examples
> > of her playing that support your claims
> > of "refinement" -- or shut up.
> >
> > Habler's Night Marches may be found
> > at https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ.
> >
> > From the very note one immediately
> > hears the metronome and the stomp
> > on the keys. Not only is this not Chopin,
> > it isn't even music.
> >
> > > Just solid and honest playing, front to
> > > back, throughout the set.
> >
> > "Solid and honest" is no longer enough,
> > not even in sports.
>
> Here is Haebler's "refined" Chopin, alla
> marcia, martellato, boots on the keys:
>
> https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ?t=2750

Just listen to Dave Hurwitz's review of
the 58 CD box:

https://youtu.be/b2bqYyP4V50

"58 Decca CDs of Ingrid Haebler is too much.
Always a solid musician, she simply lacks the
imagination and emotional amplitude of the
best performers of Mozart's and Schubert's
solo keyboard works. Where she does excel,
however, is in her partnerships with artists
such as Szeryng, Grumiaux, or in the music
of J.C Bach (played on a fortepiano). Still,
there's too much here that's merely good to
justify the expense to get the performances
that are better than that."

Damning with faint praise.

dk

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the level and vehemence of spitting on a grave is unbecoming.

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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:52:45 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
>
> the level and vehemence of spitting
> on a grave is unbecoming.

Where did you detect any "spitting"?

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 by: Andy Evans - Thu, 18 May 2023 07:23 UTC

On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 23:11:49 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
> All music is a free floating idea until
> it hits the keys. The greatest art is to
> make art disappear. Chopin's music
> should sound as if no one touched
> the keys.
> dk

And you think H J Lim "sounds as if no one touched the keys" ???????.

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 by: Herman - Thu, 18 May 2023 07:29 UTC

It's like arguing with a brick wall.
This guy hates virtually all German - Austrian pianists,
just for racist reasons.

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 by: Herman - Thu, 18 May 2023 07:34 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:29:52 AM UTC+2, Herman wrote:
> It's like arguing with a brick wall.
> This guy hates virtually all German - Austrian pianists,
> just for racist reasons.

It doesn't take any listening.
Just check the bio and he or she is bad.
Serkin spent most of his life in America,
yet, he was German born, so a bad pianist.
Peter Serkin was USA born &c,
but his dad was born in Germany decades before,
so Peter Serkin is a bad pianist.
It's just racism in its purest form.

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 08:04 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:23:59 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 23:11:49 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > All music is a free floating idea until
> > it hits the keys. The greatest art is to
> > make art disappear. Chopin's music
> > should sound as if no one touched
> > the keys.
>
> And you think H J Lim "sounds as if
> no one touched the keys" ???????.

No, I don't. I never claimed she did.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 08:08 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:34:27 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:29:52 AM UTC+2, Herman wrote:
> > It's like arguing with a brick wall.
> > This guy hates virtually all German - Austrian pianists,
> > just for racist reasons.
>
> It doesn't take any listening.

It actually does.

> Just check the bio and he or she is bad.
> Serkin spent most of his life in America,
> yet, he was German born, so a bad pianist.
> Peter Serkin was USA born &c, but his dad
> was born in Germany decades before,
> so Peter Serkin is a bad pianist.

Total non-sense. Listen and figure
things out if you have any hearing
left. Serkin had the ugliest sound
ever produced from a piano: very
steely, harsh, colorless. He played
like a metronome. And so did his
son.

> It's just racism in its purest form.

On your part.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Thu, 18 May 2023 08:23 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:29:52 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
>
> It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Easier than with a wedge of Gouda.

> This guy hates virtually all German -
> Austrian pianists, just for racist
> reasons.

I don't. You just don't understand the
distinction between dislike and hate.

This is rather surprising considering
you claim to have been trained as a
linguist.

You also do not seems to be aware
of the fact Serkin was Jewish -- yes
there is no shortage of bad Jewish
pianists: just off the top of my head
Serkin father and son, Landowska,
Grafmann, Haskil, Curzon, Tureck,
Solomon, Perahia, Kapell, Rzewski,
Sherman, etc... Are you now going
to call me an "anti-semite" for not
liking them?

You are a strange combination of a
strict literalist with a conspiratorial
imagination wrapped in woke toliet
paper.

What an idiot!

dk

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 by: Marc S - Thu, 18 May 2023 20:39 UTC

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 um 10:23:15 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:29:52 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> >
> > It's like arguing with a brick wall.
> Easier than with a wedge of Gouda.
> > This guy hates virtually all German -
> > Austrian pianists, just for racist
> > reasons.
> I don't. You just don't understand the
> distinction between dislike and hate.
>
> This is rather surprising considering
> you claim to have been trained as a
> linguist.
>
> You also do not seems to be aware
> of the fact Serkin was Jewish -- yes
> there is no shortage of bad Jewish
> pianists: just off the top of my head
> Serkin father and son, Landowska,
> Grafmann, Haskil, Curzon, Tureck,
> Solomon, Perahia, Kapell, Rzewski,
> Sherman, etc... Are you now going
> to call me an "anti-semite" for not
> liking them?
>
> You are a strange combination of a
> strict literalist with a conspiratorial
> imagination wrapped in woke toliet
> paper.
>
> What an idiot!
>
> dk

Pure gold.

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 by: Mandryka - Sat, 20 May 2023 04:41 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:42:31 PM UTC+1, MELMOTH wrote:
> *Ingrid HAEBLER*...

I’ve really been enjoying a couple of things by Mozart she recorded.. K573 which is a gigue, and K574 which is a set of variations. In truth, when I’d listened to her solo Mozart before it was the Denon set, which only has the sonatas. So finding these pieces in her other (first?) recording has been a pleasant discovery.

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 by: Mandryka - Sat, 20 May 2023 04:48 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:08:45 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 19:42:31 UTC+2 schreef MELMOTH:
> > *Ingrid HAEBLER*...
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. Her Chopin nocturnes were good. Very refined playing.
>
> Henk

Thanks for mentioning this, I didn’t know about her Chopin recordings at all. I’m hearing thr nocturnes for the first time now.

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 by: Andrew Clarke - Sun, 21 May 2023 05:19 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:21:12 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:18:22 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained
> > > > in my CD purchases this year,
> >
> > > Good for you.
> >
> > > > but the one big box I have selected to
> > > > add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler
> > > > 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the
> > > > 'typewriter' accusation.
> >
> > > Description, not accusation.
> >
> > > > Refined is the word that springs to mind
> > > > when I recall what I have listened to, yet,
> > > > yes, admittedly, not the final word on any
> > > > of the repertoire.
> > >
> > > Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during
> > > the years BYT we were all restricted to
> > > "dancing about architecture" when we
> > > tried to describe music performances.
> > >
> > > Nowadays, one can easily provide sound
> > > exmples via YT, Spotify, Amazon Music,
> > > or even upload recordings from one's
> > > personal collection. Provide examples
> > > of her playing that support your claims
> > > of "refinement" -- or shut up.
> > >
> > > Habler's Night Marches may be found
> > > at https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ.
> > >
> > > From the very note one immediately
> > > hears the metronome and the stomp
> > > on the keys. Not only is this not Chopin,
> > > it isn't even music.
> > >
> > > > Just solid and honest playing, front to
> > > > back, throughout the set.
> > >
> > > "Solid and honest" is no longer enough,
> > > not even in sports.
> >
> > Here is Haebler's "refined" Chopin, alla
> > marcia, martellato, boots on the keys:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ?t=2750
> Just listen to Dave Hurwitz's review of
> the 58 CD box:
>
> https://youtu.be/b2bqYyP4V50
>
> "58 Decca CDs of Ingrid Haebler is too much.
> Always a solid musician, she simply lacks the
> imagination and emotional amplitude of the
> best performers of Mozart's and Schubert's
> solo keyboard works. Where she does excel,
> however, is in her partnerships with artists
> such as Szeryng, Grumiaux, or in the music
> of J.C Bach (played on a fortepiano). Still,
> there's too much here that's merely good to
> justify the expense to get the performances
> that are better than that."
>
> Damning with faint praise.
>
> dk

I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.

Andrew Clarke
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 by: Andy Evans - Sun, 21 May 2023 08:48 UTC

On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 06:19:12 UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:

> I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz.
>
> Andrew Clarke > Canberra

Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes reviewers as gospel.

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