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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 20:25 UTC

https://youtu.be/0vSPicBhjfA

I provide this as an illustration how not to
play the piano and how not to "interpret"
music.

This is as mechanical, metronomical,
colorless, expressionsless, and ugly
sounding as anything I've ever heard!
It competes with Backhaus and Arrau.

How was this guy ever allowed on
stage ?!? How was this turd given
the directorship of Curtis' piano
department ?!?

I ask the questions ......

Fuck Serkin.

dk

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 by: HT - Wed, 17 May 2023 22:04 UTC

Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 22:25:33 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> https://youtu.be/0vSPicBhjfA
>
> I provide this as an illustration how not to
> play the piano and how not to "interpret"
> music.
>
> This is as mechanical, metronomical,
> colorless, expressionsless, and ugly
> sounding as anything I've ever heard!
> It competes with Backhaus and Arrau.

Serkin was in his 80s at that time. Old people should have someone to save them from making fools of themselves. He obviously didn't have anyone.

Henk

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 by: Herman - Wed, 17 May 2023 22:15 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:25:33 PM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> Fuck Serkin.
>
Go fuck yourself.

Your incessant negativity and vulgarity indicate you have some urgent biz elsewhere to do.

You r comments about brilliant women violinists needing 'a better vibrator' are just too sick.

You hate classical music? fine, we understand. Just go away.

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 22:16 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 3:04:33 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op woensdag 17 mei 2023 om 22:25:33 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > https://youtu.be/0vSPicBhjfA
> >
> > I provide this as an illustration how not to
> > play the piano and how not to "interpret"
> > music.
> >
> > This is as mechanical, metronomical,
> > colorless, expressionsless, and ugly
> > sounding as anything I've ever heard!
> > It competes with Backhaus and Arrau.
>
> Serkin was in his 80s at that time.

He did not play any better when he
was younger -- only faster. Other
pianists played much better in
their 80s -- e.g. Rubinstein.

> Old people should have someone to save
> them from making fools of themselves.
> He obviously didn't have anyone.

Where was his son Peter? Another
impostor.

dk

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 22:18 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 3:15:09 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:25:33 PM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > Fuck Serkin.
> >
> Go fuck yourself.
After you.

> Your incessant negativity and vulgarity indicate
> you have some urgent biz elsewhere to do.

Maybe I should go into politics! ;-)

> You r comments about brilliant women violinists
> needing 'a better vibrator' are just too sick.

The "brilliance" wasn't obvious at all.

> You hate classical music?

No, I merely dislike pretenders and impostors.

> fine, we understand. Just go away.

ROTFL !!!

dk

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Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 00:16:10 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
>
> > Serkin was in his 80s at that time.
> He did not play any better when he
> was younger -- only faster. Other
> pianists played much better in
> their 80s -- e.g. Rubinstein.

Rubinstein did not play better, but had a better tone (he always had). Argerich still plays very well, even if with a limited repertoire.

> > Old people should have someone to save
> > them from making fools of themselves.
> > He obviously didn't have anyone.
> Where was his son Peter? Another
> impostor.

I have no idea where his son was in 1987. Serkin Sr.'s management should have warned him that his interpretations were no longer coherent.

Serkin Jr. an impostor? Pretending to be something he wasn't? He was a pianist. Maybe not your kind of pianist, but a pianist nonetheless.

Henk

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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 22:55 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 3:35:20 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 00:16:10 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> >
> > > Serkin was in his 80s at that time.
> > He did not play any better when he
> > was younger -- only faster. Other
> > pianists played much better in
> > their 80s -- e.g. Rubinstein.
>
> Rubinstein did not play better, but had a
> better tone (he always had). Argerich still
> plays very well, even if with a limited repertoire.
>
> > > Old people should have someone to save
> > > them from making fools of themselves.
> > > He obviously didn't have anyone.
> >
> > Where was his son Peter? Another
> > impostor.
>
> I have no idea where his son was in 1987.
> Serkin Sr.'s management should have
> warned him that his interpretations
> were no longer coherent.

Artist management only promotes and
cash the checks. Sometimes they also
advise on wardrobe.

https://youtu.be/v1TdG43su9o

> Serkin Jr. an impostor? Pretending to be
> something he wasn't? He was a pianist.
> Maybe not your kind of pianist, but a
> pianist nonetheless.

For a very low value of "pianist".

dk

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Subject: Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience
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 by: Dan Koren - Wed, 17 May 2023 22:57 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 3:55:27 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 3:35:20 PM UTC-7, HT wrote:
> > Op donderdag 18 mei 2023 om 00:16:10 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
> > >
> > > > Serkin was in his 80s at that time.
> > > He did not play any better when he
> > > was younger -- only faster. Other
> > > pianists played much better in
> > > their 80s -- e.g. Rubinstein.
> >
> > Rubinstein did not play better, but had a
> > better tone (he always had). Argerich still
> > plays very well, even if with a limited repertoire.
> >
> > > > Old people should have someone to save
> > > > them from making fools of themselves.
> > > > He obviously didn't have anyone.
> > >
> > > Where was his son Peter? Another
> > > impostor.
> >
> > I have no idea where his son was in 1987.
> > Serkin Sr.'s management should have
> > warned him that his interpretations
> > were no longer coherent.
>
> Artist management only promotes and
> cash the checks. Sometimes they also
> advise on wardrobe.
>
> https://youtu.be/v1TdG43su9o
>

Her next appearance will most
likely be at the Folies Bergère.

dk

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 by: Herman - Thu, 18 May 2023 01:28 UTC

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:18:20 AM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > You r comments about brilliant women violinists
> > needing 'a better vibrator' are just too sick.
> The "brilliance" wasn't obvious at all.
>
We know. You prefer kid violinists, 11-year olds.
your enthusiasms are tasteless and risible.
your hearing is problematic, you keep
complaining about screechy or wobbly intonation
with top violinists, while you're admiring
kiddies on 3/4 fiddles in Asia's Funniest Home Videos.

Maybe someone in your family (if you have any)
advise you to stop talking,
you're everything you say about old Serkin.

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 by: vhorowitz - Fri, 19 May 2023 04:50 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:28:47 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:18:20 AM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > > You r comments about brilliant women violinists
> > > needing 'a better vibrator' are just too sick.
> > The "brilliance" wasn't obvious at all.
> >
> We know. You prefer kid violinists, 11-year olds.
> your enthusiasms are tasteless and risible.
> your hearing is problematic, you keep
> complaining about screechy or wobbly intonation
> with top violinists, while you're admiring
> kiddies on 3/4 fiddles in Asia's Funniest Home Videos.
>
> Maybe someone in your family (if you have any)
> advise you to stop talking,
> you're everything you say about old Serkin.

Such language and moronic posturing only shows you as the lowlife you aspire to be. Congratulations on achieving another level of douchedom. I think it’s time for you to retire again from this forum, before you accidentally say something of Intelligence and give us all heart attacks. Maybe that’s the way you could finally get rid of those of us who don’t drink the same brand of Kool-Aid you’ve gotten into.

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 by: Marc S - Fri, 19 May 2023 06:21 UTC

vhorowitz schrieb am Freitag, 19. Mai 2023 um 06:50:36 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 8:28:47 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:18:20 AM UTC+2, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > > You r comments about brilliant women violinists
> > > > needing 'a better vibrator' are just too sick.
> > > The "brilliance" wasn't obvious at all.
> > >
> > We know. You prefer kid violinists, 11-year olds.
> > your enthusiasms are tasteless and risible.
> > your hearing is problematic, you keep
> > complaining about screechy or wobbly intonation
> > with top violinists, while you're admiring
> > kiddies on 3/4 fiddles in Asia's Funniest Home Videos.
> >
> > Maybe someone in your family (if you have any)
> > advise you to stop talking,
> > you're everything you say about old Serkin.
> Such language and moronic posturing only shows you as the lowlife you aspire to be. Congratulations on achieving another level of douchedom. I think it’s time for you to retire again from this forum, before you accidentally say something of Intelligence and give us all heart attacks. Maybe that’s the way you could finally get rid of those of us who don’t drink the same brand of Kool-Aid you’ve gotten into.

I can't... this was beautifully written and so point... Thank you.

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 by: AB - Fri, 19 May 2023 11:47 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 4:25:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> https://youtu.be/0vSPicBhjfA
>
> I provide this as an illustration how not to
> play the piano and how not to "interpret"
> music.
>
> This is as mechanical, metronomical,
> colorless, expressionsless, and ugly
> sounding as anything I've ever heard!
> It competes with Backhaus and Arrau.
>
> How was this guy ever allowed on
> stage ?!? How was this turd given
> the directorship of Curtis' piano
> department ?!?
>
> I ask the questions ......
>
> Fuck Serkin.
>
> dk

basically agree

AB

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